Comments on: 2008: The year of the Great Wall hatchback. http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/ Explaining the Chinese Car Industry and Chinese Cars Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:37:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: chico http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-56220 chico Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:29:39 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-56220 you Chinese are coping EVERYTHING except democracy! you Chinese are coping EVERYTHING except democracy!

]]> By: candyman http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-30052 candyman Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:34:46 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-30052 thanks, and sorry for the late answer i don't agree with your taste (imho it's better than some of your choices: polo is too mild, 207 too sharp and big-mouthed, and fiesta too old) but that's ok. I agree that the centered cluster is a cheap solution for a not-so-cheap car... now let's go back on topic and look at the fake scion (or daihatsu) with a cool name :-) thanks, and sorry for the late answer
i don’t agree with your taste (imho it’s better than some of your choices: polo is too mild, 207 too sharp and big-mouthed, and fiesta too old) but that’s ok.
I agree that the centered cluster is a cheap solution for a not-so-cheap car…
now let’s go back on topic and look at the fake scion (or daihatsu) with a cool name :-)

]]> By: Lino http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-30048 Lino Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:43:28 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-30048 The old chinese copy/cut/paste design on it's best. This time they changed the logo and some light make up and went to the market. Toyota spends millions on research and design creating cars like the Yaris and Scion. At least have the dignity to say that they are the original japanese design adapted to the Chinese market!!!! The old chinese copy/cut/paste design on it’s best. This time they changed the logo and some light make up and went to the market. Toyota spends millions on research and design creating cars like the Yaris and Scion. At least have the dignity to say that they are the original japanese design adapted to the Chinese market!!!!

]]> By: Ash http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29670 Ash Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:28:25 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29670 Please be harmonious with your mocking and jibes. Please be harmonious with your mocking and jibes.

]]> By: slade http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29668 slade Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:36:39 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29668 It seems from this threat that some people know little about China. China is communist. Doesn't look like it? Well, that's because it is communism with Chinese characteristics. Get that into your head. Nothing is what it really is. It is all being redrawn "with Chinese characteristics". It is not copying! It is reinventing whatever they want, slapping on some Chinese characteristics and calling it whatever they want. So these are not Yaris or Toyota or whatever. THESE ARE GREAT WALL!!!!! :) It seems from this threat that some people know little about China.

China is communist. Doesn’t look like it? Well, that’s because it is communism with Chinese characteristics. Get that into your head. Nothing is what it really is. It is all being redrawn “with Chinese characteristics”. It is not copying! It is reinventing whatever they want, slapping on some Chinese characteristics and calling it whatever they want. So these are not Yaris or Toyota or whatever. THESE ARE GREAT WALL!!!!! :)

]]> By: jackson liu http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29484 jackson liu Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:43:40 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29484 in the US, I've never seen an Yaris in my life... I can only assume it doesn't sell at all, unless I'm getting blind or people who buy it actually hide it (which is advised....) anyway, some cars that look better, sell better and ARE better than the yaris in the US, for the same price range (MSRP $11k-14k USD): Ford Focus -->(12k-14k) Nissan Versa (Tiida) -->(13k-15k) or even: Chevrolet Cobalt --> (14k-18k) Honda Civic --> (14k-18k) just to name a few... ok... subcompact cars have never sold well in America, and this is definetely not the playground for the Yaris... let's cross the Atlantic and see what we can get: for ($8k-14k, in the UK) Opel Corsa VW Polo Peugeot 207 Fiat Punto Ford Fiesta just to name a few. all these subcompacts are better designed and built, IMO. They have personality, european flair. Not this terrible bland japanese/asian design. Asian design in general has aways been bland and tasteless if compared to other schools. Toyota, IMO, has aways been one of the most extreme in this point. This all-rounded design in the Yaris is awful. This centered instrument panel looks horrible AND is terribly located. In my opinion, centered panels are the worst.. worse than that only if you place it somewhere you can't see... automakers do that because cuts project costs, since it can be simply mirrored for LHD and RHD dashes. All this has been my opinion. You can have (I hope you do..) your own if you want. I think the Yaris sucks, looks awful and is a chick's car. My choice in the USA would be either a Civic (or even a Fit) or a Cobalt.. these cars cover the top range of the yaris price. In Europe, would be either the Corsa or the Polo. You buy whatever you want with your money. I'm just sorry for the yaris buyers... in the US, I’ve never seen an Yaris in my life… I can only assume it doesn’t sell at all, unless I’m getting blind or people who buy it actually hide it (which is advised….)
anyway, some cars that look better, sell better and ARE better than the yaris in the US, for the same price range (MSRP $11k-14k USD):
Ford Focus –>(12k-14k)
Nissan Versa (Tiida) –>(13k-15k)
or even:
Chevrolet Cobalt –> (14k-18k)
Honda Civic –> (14k-18k)
just to name a few…
ok… subcompact cars have never sold well in America, and this is definetely not the playground for the Yaris…
let’s cross the Atlantic and see what we can get:
for ($8k-14k, in the UK)
Opel Corsa
VW Polo
Peugeot 207
Fiat Punto
Ford Fiesta
just to name a few.
all these subcompacts are better designed and built, IMO. They have personality, european flair.
Not this terrible bland japanese/asian design. Asian design in general has aways been bland and tasteless if compared to other schools. Toyota, IMO, has aways been one of the most extreme in this point.
This all-rounded design in the Yaris is awful. This centered instrument panel looks horrible AND is terribly located. In my opinion, centered panels are the worst.. worse than that only if you place it somewhere you can’t see…
automakers do that because cuts project costs, since it can be simply mirrored for LHD and RHD dashes.
All this has been my opinion. You can have (I hope you do..) your own if you want. I think the Yaris sucks, looks awful and is a chick’s car.
My choice in the USA would be either a Civic (or even a Fit) or a Cobalt.. these cars cover the top range of the yaris price.
In Europe, would be either the Corsa or the Polo.
You buy whatever you want with your money. I’m just sorry for the yaris buyers…

]]> By: woxihuanpijiu http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29471 woxihuanpijiu Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:43:17 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29471 If the Chinese start copying Boeing and Airbus I'm going to learn how to sail..... Could you imagine where they would cost cut by using cheaper alloys and a substandard electronics system eg a guy hanging out the window on "navigational duties". At least it would be easier to fix using parts from other planes except the engines which would be a new and improved design of unknown Chinese origin. If the Chinese start copying Boeing and Airbus I’m going to learn how to sail….. Could you imagine where they would cost cut by using cheaper alloys and a substandard electronics system eg a guy hanging out the window on “navigational duties”. At least it would be easier to fix using parts from other planes except the engines which would be a new and improved design of unknown Chinese origin.

]]> By: Ashley http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29470 Ashley Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:37:49 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29470 Chinese cars are everywhere in the world, in some shape or form. Chery, for example, has distributors all over the world. Chinese cars are everywhere in the world, in some shape or form.

Chery, for example, has distributors all over the world.

]]> By: candyman http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29469 candyman Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:31:35 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29469 Sorry for the OT. Could you please tell me the name of a car (this size/price in western countries) that looks better (or at least do not suck...) and sells better than Yaris? only to understand your taste... Sorry for the OT. Could you please tell me the name of a car (this size/price in western countries) that looks better (or at least do not suck…) and sells better than Yaris? only to understand your taste…

]]> By: Nick in Shanghai http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29468 Nick in Shanghai Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:21:21 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29468 When I went to the Shanghai auto show last year I thought that Great Wall must be in a JV with Toyota and was producing Toyota last generation models for the Chinese market. Guess not....so what's next ?.......Boeing and Airbus no doubt. When I went to the Shanghai auto show last year I thought that Great Wall must be in a JV with Toyota and was producing Toyota last generation models for the Chinese market.

Guess not….so what’s next ?…….Boeing and Airbus no doubt.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29467 Aaron Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:19:19 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29467 Thieves! Plain and simple. So is theft legal in China? I think not. This is blatant theft if I ever seen it. The difference may only be minor, but it is not enough to not call it a copy. Then again Chinese cars are not normal outside of China are they? Thieves! Plain and simple. So is theft legal in China? I think not. This is blatant theft if I ever seen it. The difference may only be minor, but it is not enough to not call it a copy. Then again Chinese cars are not normal outside of China are they?

]]> By: Ross http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29458 Ross Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:45:18 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29458 What goes around comes around, these people are going to get what they deserve for IP theft. What goes around comes around, these people are going to get what they deserve for IP theft.

]]> By: jackson liu http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29457 jackson liu Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:20:33 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29457 actually I don't think any of these cars look good... actually I think they suck... there are so many nice small compact cars in Europe, and even in Japan... but they are major market hits, that's probably the reason why GW has copied them. actually I don’t think any of these cars look good…
actually I think they suck…
there are so many nice small compact cars in Europe, and even in Japan…
but they are major market hits, that’s probably the reason why GW has copied them.

]]> By: z. http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29451 z. Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:58:52 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29451 Toyota clone or not (alright, it is), Coolbear is the best name for a car EVER. EVER. If I had money to burn I'd buy one just for the name. Toyota clone or not (alright, it is), Coolbear is the best name for a car EVER. EVER. If I had money to burn I’d buy one just for the name.

]]> By: Castro http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29447 Castro Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:52:51 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29447 Sorry, but I think GW don't know anything about design: all these cars are clones of a beautiful occidental cars... Sorry, but I think GW don’t know anything about design: all these cars are clones of a beautiful occidental cars…

]]> By: Colin G http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29444 Colin G Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:25 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29444 I think you're right to say it's a wide brush that's being used here, however it's still a major problem that is affecting companies such as Fiat, Mercedes, Smart, BMW and Toyota to name 5. So the comments are valid but restraint should be shown as it's not every manufacturer. However, if the chinese government don't clamp down on this then everyone will assume it's all chinese makers and perhaps boycott all Chinese cars, and that's not a good thing for the Chinese economy!! I think you’re right to say it’s a wide brush that’s being used here, however it’s still a major problem that is affecting companies such as Fiat, Mercedes, Smart, BMW and Toyota to name 5. So the comments are valid but restraint should be shown as it’s not every manufacturer. However, if the chinese government don’t clamp down on this then everyone will assume it’s all chinese makers and perhaps boycott all Chinese cars, and that’s not a good thing for the Chinese economy!!

]]> By: Mememe http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29423 Mememe Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:43:43 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29423 LOL I guess Great Wall is reading all of these. LOL I guess Great Wall is reading all of these.

]]> By: jackson liu http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29422 jackson liu Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:30:26 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29422 I really hope it does... but it doesn't matter how many automakers "inspire" their produts on overseas brands (which, IMO, are quite a lot)... not even ONE company should be allowed to do this procedure... it only takes ONE brand to f.uck up with competition. I really hope it does…
but it doesn’t matter how many automakers “inspire” their produts on overseas brands (which, IMO, are quite a lot)…
not even ONE company should be allowed to do this procedure…
it only takes ONE brand to f.uck up with competition.

]]> By: Ashley http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29419 Ashley Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:09:18 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29419 That is a wide brush you are painting with. Not all Chinese car co's are cloning cars, its just a handful of naughty children, that will soon feel market pressure and give up with their pikey ways. That is a wide brush you are painting with.

Not all Chinese car co’s are cloning cars, its just a handful of naughty children, that will soon feel market pressure and give up with their pikey ways.

]]> By: jackson liu http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29418 jackson liu Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:43:26 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29418 I've posted this paragraph in the GW Peri post, and I'm going to paste it here since it fits just right in... >>they’ve copied this car just to save money on a new product development… so long for the auto industry competition… so long for innovations at each new vehicle… imagine if this happened in Europe or in America or any other place besides China… if brands were allowed to freely copy other brands… no innovations would come up at each new generation… corsas, fiestas and polos would all be the same… as camrys, accords, fusions and malibus… auto industry would never have developed… Chinese government is just STUPID for letting this happen… I’ve posted this paragraph in the GW Peri post, and I’m going to paste it here since it fits just right in…
>>they’ve copied this car just to save money on a new product development… so long for the auto industry competition… so long for innovations at each new vehicle…
imagine if this happened in Europe or in America or any other place besides China… if brands were allowed to freely copy other brands… no innovations would come up at each new generation… corsas, fiestas and polos would all be the same… as camrys, accords, fusions and malibus… auto industry would never have developed…
Chinese government is just STUPID for letting this happen…

]]> By: jackson liu http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29415 jackson liu Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:24:11 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29415 the Great Wall brand is the EXACT proof of what most chinese automakers do: XEROX COPY cars from other companies... besides the Fiat Panda, can ANYONE deny the other two models being copies of Toyota Yaris and 2008 Scion xB (which is also Toyota and also last generation)?? Toyota Yaris : http://photots.i0100.com/3465_small.jpg Scion xB : http://image.automotive.com/f/auto-shows/2008-scion-xb-boxes-out-at-chicago-auto-show/6223103+w630+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-scion-xb-front-right-stagejpg.jpg anyone trying to deny this resemblance is just purely defending a world without any intelectual property, with no copyright laws... toyota and fiat have spent millions developing these cars. For whoever defends GW, don't you think it's at least unfair with these brands that a chinese automaker simply copy their product?? how can Great Wall claim now it has designed the Peri itself?? These new cars show that the Great Wall brand has no design identity, which only proves it copied the Fiat Panda : it doesn't only copy cars from Fiat, but also from other brands (toyota, in this case)... this sickens me... the Great Wall brand is the EXACT proof of what most chinese automakers do:
XEROX COPY cars from other companies…
besides the Fiat Panda, can ANYONE deny the other two models being copies of Toyota Yaris and 2008 Scion xB (which is also Toyota and also last generation)??
Toyota Yaris : http://photots.i0100.com/3465_small.jpg
Scion xB : http://image.automotive.com/f/auto-shows/2008-scion-xb-boxes-out-at-chicago-auto-show/6223103+w630+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-scion-xb-front-right-stagejpg.jpg
anyone trying to deny this resemblance is just purely defending a world without any intelectual property, with no copyright laws… toyota and fiat have spent millions developing these cars. For whoever defends GW, don’t you think it’s at least unfair with these brands that a chinese automaker simply copy their product??

how can Great Wall claim now it has designed the Peri itself?? These new cars show that the Great Wall brand has no design identity, which only proves it copied the Fiat Panda : it doesn’t only copy cars from Fiat, but also from other brands (toyota, in this case)…
this sickens me…

]]> By: Colin G http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29411 Colin G Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:08:27 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29411 Buy a Fiat Panda, it looks better, it's better built, will probably be safer in a crash and it's the original and not some cheap immitation!! Buy a Fiat Panda, it looks better, it’s better built, will probably be safer in a crash and it’s the original and not some cheap immitation!!

]]> By: Casper http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29407 Casper Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:24:33 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/01/14/2008-the-year-of-the-great-wall-hatchback/#comment-29407 Pure rip offs. Pure rip offs.

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