Comments on: Are the Chinese players afraid of the Indian markets? http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/ Explaining the Chinese Car Industry Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:17:35 +0800 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: I __ H a t e __ C h i n a http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-2/#comment-415609 I __ H a t e __ C h i n a Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:16:02 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-415609 @ Bob > I there any developed country that would let a Nano on it’s roads? Nano is undergoing an EU harmonization, and received a 4 star rating in EuroNCAP test. US harmonization may be hard because the US crash test and emissions standard is now much tougher than Europe(2 stars for 2011 Honda Civic, for example). > If the car is not safe, then I don’t car what price it sells for. Nano is much safer than Cherys and BYDs if that's what you are asking. Tata is a real auto company that does its own engineering, unlike Chery and BYD. > There is a version of the NANO meant for Europe, but it needs so many upgrades, that the price has increased a lot. It's still like 6,000 Euros, not much by European market standard. @ Bob

> I there any developed country that would let a Nano on it’s roads?

Nano is undergoing an EU harmonization, and received a 4 star rating in EuroNCAP test. US harmonization may be hard because the US crash test and emissions standard is now much tougher than Europe(2 stars for 2011 Honda Civic, for example).

> If the car is not safe, then I don’t car what price it sells for.

Nano is much safer than Cherys and BYDs if that’s what you are asking. Tata is a real auto company that does its own engineering, unlike Chery and BYD.

> There is a version of the NANO meant for Europe, but it needs so many upgrades, that the price has increased a lot.

It’s still like 6,000 Euros, not much by European market standard.

]]> By: I __ H a t e __ C h i n a http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-2/#comment-415602 I __ H a t e __ C h i n a Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:11:07 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-415602 @ hk > From the tone you are talking, you are surely a nationalistic Idian. No, he is a very typical Indian. The real Indian nationalists call for a war against China. If you didn't know that India was one of few "China-free" places in developing world, it shows your own limited understanding of the outside world. > Idian car industry is in no comparison with the Chinese. Western automakers rate highly of Indian automakers for their innovation, while Chinese are lowly regarded. @ hk

> From the tone you are talking, you are surely a nationalistic Idian.

No, he is a very typical Indian. The real Indian nationalists call for a war against China. If you didn’t know that India was one of few “China-free” places in developing world, it shows your own limited understanding of the outside world.

> Idian car industry is in no comparison with the Chinese.

Western automakers rate highly of Indian automakers for their innovation, while Chinese are lowly regarded.

]]> By: Bob http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-2/#comment-414057 Bob Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:52:09 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-414057 I there any developed country that would let a Nano on it's roads? It has little to no safety features. IMHO A car is meant to bring you safely from A to B. If the car is not safe, then I don't car what price it sells for. Like Head Honcho said: Once the Tata is established in Europe, USA.. Then you can celebrate. There is a version of the NANO meant for Europe, but it needs so many upgrades, that the price has increased a lot. I there any developed country that would let a Nano on it’s roads? It has little to no safety features. IMHO A car is meant to bring you safely from A to B. If the car is not safe, then I don’t car what price it sells for.
Like Head Honcho said: Once the Tata is established in Europe, USA.. Then you can celebrate.
There is a version of the NANO meant for Europe, but it needs so many upgrades, that the price has increased a lot.

]]> By: Head Honcho http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-2/#comment-412351 Head Honcho Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:54:54 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-412351 Taiwan isn't too impressive. Once they are established in Europe, USA or Canada or Japan you can celebrate. Even Australia. Taiwan isn’t too impressive. Once they are established in Europe, USA or Canada or Japan you can celebrate. Even Australia.

]]> By: TataMan http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-2/#comment-412332 TataMan Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:39:10 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-412332 Common guys We are now gonna export Tata Nanno to Taiwan soon ! You can checkout the latest news ! Is there any developed country in this world that can make a Nano [ People's Car ] ;-) You guys have a log way to go for such a car ! Good Try by VW,GM etc in Indian Market for launching Small Car like Tata’s but see the difference in Price ! Common guys We are now gonna export Tata Nanno to Taiwan soon !
You can checkout the latest news !

Is there any developed country in this world that can make a Nano [ People's Car ] ;-)

You guys have a log way to go for such a car !

Good Try by VW,GM etc in Indian Market for launching Small Car like Tata’s but see the difference in Price !

]]> By: TataMan http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-2/#comment-412331 TataMan Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:38:25 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-412331 Common guys We are now gonna exort Tata Nanno to Taiwan soon ! You can checkout the latest news ! Is there any developed country in this world that can make a Nano [ People's Car ] ;-) You guys have a log way to go for such a car ! Good Try by VW,GM etc in Indian Market for launching Small Car like Tata's but see the difference in Price ! Common guys We are now gonna exort Tata Nanno to Taiwan soon !
You can checkout the latest news !

Is there any developed country in this world that can make a Nano [ People's Car ] ;-)

You guys have a log way to go for such a car !

Good Try by VW,GM etc in Indian Market for launching Small Car like Tata’s but see the difference in Price !

]]> By: Head Honcho http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-2/#comment-412257 Head Honcho Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:42:40 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-412257 Also please don't throw in Jaguar, or Land Rover into this. They were pretty recently acquired and their development does not really trace back to India. Also please don’t throw in Jaguar, or Land Rover into this. They were pretty recently acquired and their development does not really trace back to India.

]]> By: Head Honcho http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-2/#comment-412253 Head Honcho Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:41:37 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-412253 A little too much attitude in here. I am far from someone that says Chinese cars are great and should be sold in all markets. But if Indian cars are better than GM and Ford, why aren't they being sold in other markets. Brazil is far from a market demanding the best cars. Are Indian cars in any developed markets? A little too much attitude in here. I am far from someone that says Chinese cars are great and should be sold in all markets. But if Indian cars are better than GM and Ford, why aren’t they being sold in other markets. Brazil is far from a market demanding the best cars. Are Indian cars in any developed markets?

]]> By: hk http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-2/#comment-410784 hk Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:55:26 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-410784 @abhigo86 From the tone you are talking, you are surely a nationalistic Idian. I have no objection with this kind of attitudes. However, if you are talking about cars, please be careful. Idian car industry is in no comparison with the Chinese. All I can say is you are just an idiot in front of CCT. You got a friend liked IHC is a perfect match...... @abhigo86

From the tone you are talking, you are surely a nationalistic Idian. I have no objection with this kind of attitudes. However, if you are talking about cars, please be careful. Idian car industry is in no comparison with the Chinese. All I can say is you are just an idiot in front of CCT. You got a friend liked IHC is a perfect match……

]]> By: I __ H a t e __ C h i n a http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-2/#comment-410023 I __ H a t e __ C h i n a Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:24:53 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-410023 @ abhigo86 Plus Indians intensely dislike China and all things Chinese. As one Hyundai executive puts it, India is one of few "China-free" auto market in developing world. @ abhigo86

Plus Indians intensely dislike China and all things Chinese.

As one Hyundai executive puts it, India is one of few “China-free” auto market in developing world.

]]> By: abhigo86 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-2/#comment-408039 abhigo86 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:47:00 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-408039 Actually the thing is that most of india's population drives Suzuki Wagon r or alto, Much more high quality car than any of the copy cat chinese car makers make , Moreover chinese autocar maker are nothing in front of tata , no automaker dares to compare itself to tata. Jaguar landrover and tata motors , mahindra and mahindra , icml,have come up to exports to brazil too can brazil government supports chinese quality vehicle, no man. In 2.5 lacs one can have a chevrolet spark or a tata indica ,who will buy chery qq chinese consumer are immature but indians are , we can have hyundai santro or i 10 are 3 lakh who will buy low quality chery qq please india does not roam in ambasador these days , there are more high quality car on indian roads than china Please don't write bull shit if you don't know about a country , china still has to pass 25 years to reach the quality which indians are making a reader from india Actually the thing is that most of india’s population drives Suzuki Wagon r or alto, Much more high quality car than any of the copy cat chinese car makers make , Moreover chinese autocar maker are nothing in front of tata , no automaker dares to compare itself to tata.

Jaguar landrover and tata motors , mahindra and mahindra , icml,have come up to exports to brazil too

can brazil government supports chinese quality vehicle, no man.

In 2.5 lacs one can have a chevrolet spark or a tata indica ,who will buy chery qq

chinese consumer are immature but indians are , we can have hyundai santro or i 10 are 3 lakh

who will buy low quality chery qq

please india does not roam in ambasador these days , there are more high quality car on indian roads than china

Please don’t write bull shit if you don’t know about a country , china still has to pass 25 years to reach the quality which indians are making

a reader from india

]]> By: RealIndian http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-2/#comment-133569 RealIndian Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:40:51 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-133569 I have seen cars of foreign companies(GM,FORD etc) in Indian Markets with quality 40% comparison to India Cars. So with the price that of Indian cars, Forieners can not compete here. Event if You have to stay in Indian Market your car's lowest model should start from as low as INR 2.5 Lacs. Good Luck China and others. I have seen cars of foreign companies(GM,FORD etc) in Indian Markets with quality 40% comparison to India Cars.
So with the price that of Indian cars, Forieners can not compete here. Event if You have to stay in Indian Market your car’s lowest model should start from as low as INR 2.5 Lacs.
Good Luck China and others.

]]> By: jinjin http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32741 jinjin Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:07:11 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32741 well said colin.. fact is that we, me included have left the main topic of discussion and gone to compare economies and individual rants. well said colin.. fact is that we, me included have left the main topic of discussion and gone to compare economies and individual rants.

]]> By: Colin G http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32617 Colin G Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:11:33 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32617 It is stunning how condescending you sound on this forum. This is a car forum not a lecturing hall discussing how 'lacking' we all are in economics. I suggest that if you have a point you want to get across about cars then make it. But do not come on this attacking everyone else and talking down to us. This is not on. so if you've something constructive to say then say it otherwise keep quiet! It is stunning how condescending you sound on this forum. This is a car forum not a lecturing hall discussing how ‘lacking’ we all are in economics.

I suggest that if you have a point you want to get across about cars then make it. But do not come on this attacking everyone else and talking down to us. This is not on.

so if you’ve something constructive to say then say it otherwise keep quiet!

]]> By: Colin G http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32611 Colin G Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:07:00 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32611 Wow this is some rant. Are you an ex-employee with a grudge? It's a powerful rant but one which is not wholly correct. For example if hyundai are in such a good way why did it have to tie up with Kia and also have links in with Mitsubishi and Daimler-Benz (when they were around). If they were that cash rich then why would this happen? And yes you are right about the chinese having spirit and showing up at a show in the USA. But with what? Cars that were poorly built, poorly engineered and poor copies of Western Cars. There's your answer as to why we laughed. Yes look at Tata, they like all companies have made mistakes but Tata is a private company and buying apartments in America wouldn't cost the Indian people anything. so what exactly is your point? It's kinda lost in all the anger you're showing!! Wow this is some rant. Are you an ex-employee with a grudge? It’s a powerful rant but one which is not wholly correct. For example if hyundai are in such a good way why did it have to tie up with Kia and also have links in with Mitsubishi and Daimler-Benz (when they were around). If they were that cash rich then why would this happen? And yes you are right about the chinese having spirit and showing up at a show in the USA. But with what? Cars that were poorly built, poorly engineered and poor copies of Western Cars. There’s your answer as to why we laughed. Yes look at Tata, they like all companies have made mistakes but Tata is a private company and buying apartments in America wouldn’t cost the Indian people anything. so what exactly is your point? It’s kinda lost in all the anger you’re showing!!

]]> By: jin jin http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32597 jin jin Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:35:13 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32597 Indian markets are I believe more open than Chinese markets. Most of the foreign companies in China are in JV’s with the government linked companies and that is because they based their market strategies based on size,population and their sales figures ten to 15 years ago. What they underestimated : India is powered only by TATA and Reliance and a semi protectionist social government of the time.They totally missed out the factor that India will be driven a lot by the power of the well educated masses and youth of the next generation If NANO or TATA may be derided by a few,include Indians, I still believe they have woken up a lot of world notice and may change ways how things work Indian markets are I believe more open than Chinese markets. Most of the foreign companies in China are in JV’s with the government linked companies and that is because they based their market strategies based on size,population and their sales figures ten to 15 years ago. What they underestimated : India is powered only by TATA and Reliance and a semi protectionist social government of the time.They totally missed out the factor that India will be driven a lot by the power of the well educated masses and youth of the next generation

If NANO or TATA may be derided by a few,include Indians, I still believe they have woken up a lot of world notice and may change ways how things work

]]> By: jin jin http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32596 jin jin Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:31:12 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32596 simon you are not an Indian and not a proud one at that. in fact pathetic.. take the challenge.. go and try to achieve 0.0000001% of what TATA has achieved in terms of profit or social workings. Buy a flat in Florida or buy a gift jet for the wife, is still ambition and drive to achieve.. that is what you lack.. dream on.. simon, india is protectionist when it comes to competing from similar markets . Mind if I ask, what Chinese product did you try to sell in India and loose out Indian markets are I believe more open than Chinese markets. Most of the foreign companies in China are in JV's with the government linked companies and that is because they based their market strategies based on size,population and their sales figures ten to 15 years ago. What they underestimated : India is powered only by TATA and Reliance and a semi protectionist social government of the time.They totally missed out the factor that India will be driven a lot by the power of the well educated masses and youth of the next generation simon you are not an Indian and not a proud one at that.
in fact pathetic.. take the challenge.. go and try to achieve 0.0000001% of what TATA has achieved in terms of profit or social workings. Buy a flat in Florida or buy a gift jet for the wife, is still ambition and drive to achieve.. that is what you lack.. dream on..

simon, india is protectionist when it comes to competing from similar markets . Mind if I ask, what Chinese product did you try to sell in India and loose out

Indian markets are I believe more open than Chinese markets. Most of the foreign companies in China are in JV’s with the government linked companies and that is because they based their market strategies based on size,population and their sales figures ten to 15 years ago. What they underestimated : India is powered only by TATA and Reliance and a semi protectionist social government of the time.They totally missed out the factor that India will be driven a lot by the power of the well educated masses and youth of the next generation

]]> By: Simon http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32583 Simon Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:31:01 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32583 Mememe: Economic theories may have lots of problems and economists may never come to consensus on any issues. But, in economics, regardless of theories or empiricals, it has been proved monopoly: lack of competition, will not save a company but will destroy it. This monopoly will only jeopardize efficiency of the economy. It is stunning to me that how many of you need some basic economic educations. Mememe: Economic theories may have lots of problems and economists may never come to consensus on any issues. But, in economics, regardless of theories or empiricals, it has been proved monopoly: lack of competition, will not save a company but will destroy it. This monopoly will only jeopardize efficiency of the economy. It is stunning to me that how many of you need some basic economic educations.

]]> By: mememe http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32490 mememe Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:56:18 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32490 Calm down simon, I think tata is doing pretty well in its own indian market, i think tata needs more time, it is good for tata to monopolise its own domestic market anyway. Calm down simon,

I think tata is doing pretty well in its own indian market, i think tata needs more time, it is good for tata to monopolise its own domestic market anyway.

]]> By: tiger http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32477 tiger Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:53:09 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32477 By high quality I mean that which suits the Indian Road safety needs,not european or US road safey needs,which satifies the basic needs of the Indian family requirement not the US or European need of crossing the continents in car. By high quality I mean that which suits the Indian Road safety needs,not european or US road safey needs,which satifies the basic needs of the Indian family requirement not the US or European need of crossing the continents in car.

]]> By: tiger http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32475 tiger Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:46:15 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32475 I think that almost all chinese cars can be succesfully launched in India and they can succesfully compete in the market .But india is Right hand drive.Initially Chinese companies should push for manufacturing in India via joint ventures.Indians require cheap and high quality cars .."Win Win" slogan of the China should be implemented in full earnest.TATA has targeted the bajaj auto three wheeler market(which sells at 1.4lac) which is used for taxi by launching the Nano i.e 1 lac car.Soon all the three wheelers in India will be replaced by TATA nano. I think that almost all chinese cars can be succesfully launched in India and they can succesfully compete in the market .But india is Right hand drive.Initially Chinese companies should push for manufacturing in India via joint ventures.Indians require cheap and high quality cars ..”Win Win” slogan of the China should be implemented in full earnest.TATA has targeted the bajaj auto three wheeler market(which sells at 1.4lac) which is used for taxi by launching the Nano i.e 1 lac car.Soon all the three wheelers in India will be replaced by TATA nano.

]]> By: simon http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32474 simon Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:37:38 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32474 I do have grudge toward TATA because I AM AN INDIAN! Of course, TATA is just like Mitsubishi and Hyundai. But, it doesn't mean TATA will truly become a company like them one day. Let's don't forget the difference between countris like India and Korea. Korea is small and when Hyundai monopolized the market, it will go out and compete with others. However, TATA will only monopoly its market in India because it is big and profitable enough (BTW, it is protectd. Some of you argues that India is not that protectism. Then, just look around how many foreign car companies are doing business in China and how many are in India (Hyundai, Suzuki?). If a market is open and free, you should see something just like China or U.S. The domestic brands can only survive when they do have the guts to compete with other powerful players. Let's look at the Chinese example. Would you agree the cut-throat competitions from foreign brands actually help Chinese domestic players to catch up quickier. Lots of people laughed when they saw Geely or other Chinese carmakers showed up at Detroit. But, think it for a second, is it the exact enterprenual spirit, energy and committment that can make a difference and shape a country?! Then look at our dear TATA! At least, Hyundai made Korean rich. What did TATA do? Spent millions to buy an apartment in Florida? Just like everything from Bollywood, pretend we are living as Americans. How pathetic! I do have grudge toward TATA because I AM AN INDIAN! Of course, TATA is just like Mitsubishi and Hyundai. But, it doesn’t mean TATA will truly become a company like them one day. Let’s don’t forget the difference between countris like India and Korea. Korea is small and when Hyundai monopolized the market, it will go out and compete with others. However, TATA will only monopoly its market in India because it is big and profitable enough (BTW, it is protectd. Some of you argues that India is not that protectism. Then, just look around how many foreign car companies are doing business in China and how many are in India (Hyundai, Suzuki?). If a market is open and free, you should see something just like China or U.S. The domestic brands can only survive when they do have the guts to compete with other powerful players. Let’s look at the Chinese example. Would you agree the cut-throat competitions from foreign brands actually help Chinese domestic players to catch up quickier. Lots of people laughed when they saw Geely or other Chinese carmakers showed up at Detroit. But, think it for a second, is it the exact enterprenual spirit, energy and committment that can make a difference and shape a country?! Then look at our dear TATA! At least, Hyundai made Korean rich. What did TATA do? Spent millions to buy an apartment in Florida? Just like everything from Bollywood, pretend we are living as Americans. How pathetic!

]]> By: Colin G http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32416 Colin G Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:27:25 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32416 Why would India suddenly get cheap and high quality cars if they jumped into bed with China? When did either country make high quality cars? They both make cheap and cheerful (well not always cheerful) cars, but neither are known for the quality aspect! Why would India suddenly get cheap and high quality cars if they jumped into bed with China? When did either country make high quality cars? They both make cheap and cheerful (well not always cheerful) cars, but neither are known for the quality aspect!

]]> By: Colin G http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32415 Colin G Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:25:16 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32415 I think chinese car makers should try designing some original cars and sorting out their safety then and only then concentrating on building their market share. Otherwise they'll churn out copied rubbish which isn't safe!! In fact just like they're doing now! The threat from India is real but then so is the threat from Europe, Japan and America. I think chinese car makers should try designing some original cars and sorting out their safety then and only then concentrating on building their market share. Otherwise they’ll churn out copied rubbish which isn’t safe!! In fact just like they’re doing now! The threat from India is real but then so is the threat from Europe, Japan and America.

]]> By: Ash http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32412 Ash Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:18:17 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32412 Some Chinese co's are equally diversified, Chery owns a shipping group! Some Chinese co’s are equally diversified, Chery owns a shipping group!

]]> By: Ben http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32403 Ben Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:09:37 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32403 The Chinese car market probably has the fastest growth rate in the world. It doesn't make any sense for Chinese car companies to not concentrate in their own backyard first. It is best to leave India's backyard to the Indian companies. What is the point of "non-profit" competition? The goal is to maximize profit. The Chinese car market probably has the fastest growth rate in the world. It doesn’t make any sense for Chinese car companies to not concentrate in their own backyard first. It is best to leave India’s backyard to the Indian companies. What is the point of “non-profit” competition? The goal is to maximize profit.

]]> By: M0L0TOV http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32396 M0L0TOV Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:25:19 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32396 I think to summarize jin jin's comment. Look at Japan's Mitsubishi Heavy Indurstries, they manufacture all sorts of things, whether it's cars, televisions, construction equipment. TATA is diversified like Mitsubishi and even Korea's Hyundai group (heck, Hyundai even makes oil tankers). Not to knock the Chinese but I've seen more originally designed Indian cars than the Chinese even though India has a lower amount of car manufacturers. The cars aren't pretty but they are original. China is on its way there as well but India won't be a market to compete in until the Chinese market is saturated and there is no room for expansion in China. I think to summarize jin jin’s comment. Look at Japan’s Mitsubishi Heavy Indurstries, they manufacture all sorts of things, whether it’s cars, televisions, construction equipment. TATA is diversified like Mitsubishi and even Korea’s Hyundai group (heck, Hyundai even makes oil tankers). Not to knock the Chinese but I’ve seen more originally designed Indian cars than the Chinese even though India has a lower amount of car manufacturers. The cars aren’t pretty but they are original. China is on its way there as well but India won’t be a market to compete in until the Chinese market is saturated and there is no room for expansion in China.

]]> By: jin jin http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32393 jin jin Tue, 12 Feb 2008 03:53:54 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32393 Simon you seem to have a grudge against TATA, which is not there against Chinese but a few facts here for you : 1. Chinese cars lack the base of engineering which is research, instead they go for the fastest available copies they can produce. what is better an example than QQ 2. Then again TATA has been around for a century in diverse industries 3. TATA gonna buy Land Rover, Jaguar and also building the NANO. 4. Simon you seem to have a grudge against TATA, which is not there against Chinese

but a few facts here for you :
1. Chinese cars lack the base of engineering which is research, instead they go for the fastest available copies they can produce. what is better an example than QQ

2. Then again TATA has been around for a century in diverse industries

3. TATA gonna buy Land Rover, Jaguar and also building
the NANO.

4.

]]> By: simon http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32367 simon Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:59:18 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32367 Considering how long TATA has been in the market and how long Chery or other Chinese car business are, it is really shameful for TATA to get this far after so many years. Considering how long TATA has been in the market and how long Chery or other Chinese car business are, it is really shameful for TATA to get this far after so many years.

]]> By: tiger http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32315 tiger Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:52:49 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32315 Chinese companies should form joint ventures with indian comapnies and start manufacturing cars ,trucks and buses in india,Indian will get cheap and high quality cars at the earliest possble . Chinese companies should form joint ventures with indian comapnies and start manufacturing cars ,trucks and buses in india,Indian will get cheap and high quality cars at the earliest possble .

]]> By: Nick in Shanghai http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32305 Nick in Shanghai Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:32:51 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32305 You are on the right lines with your Honda exception. You are on the right lines with your Honda exception.

]]> By: Mememe http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32205 Mememe Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:27:50 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32205 hey,let's not turn this into a comparison thing. i think india is not that protectionist, hyundai and suzuki are doing ok there. and about quality of indian cars, i cannot comment on that since we have not seen any crash tests of indian cars. btw does indian have any crash test regulations like the Cncap of China ? hey,let’s not turn this into a comparison thing. i think india is not that protectionist, hyundai and suzuki are doing ok there.

and about quality of indian cars, i cannot comment on that since we have not seen any crash tests of indian cars. btw does indian have any crash test regulations like the Cncap of China ?

]]> By: dragin http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32189 dragin Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:36:14 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32189 I think that if this were the case Nick, that Fiat would have jumped at the chance to go it alone after its venture with NAC went sour. I suspect that all the foreign makers would opt out of the "49 percent" JV if they had the chance. Honda was given an exception by Beijing when it opened a "for export only" plant. I believe it has 60% equity (not 100%) in that venture. Of course the OEM parts makers are another case, as they can do WOFE in China. Well it will be interesting how the changes you mentioned unfold Nick. But while on the subject, what are the rules in India? Maybe the Chinese have found them most unfavorable and so are have gone elsewhere. I think that if this were the case Nick, that Fiat would have jumped at the chance to go it alone after its venture with NAC went sour. I suspect that all the foreign makers would opt out of the “49 percent” JV if they had the chance.
Honda was given an exception by Beijing when it opened a “for export only” plant. I believe it has 60% equity (not 100%) in that venture.
Of course the OEM parts makers are another case, as they can do WOFE in China.
Well it will be interesting how the changes you mentioned unfold Nick.
But while on the subject, what are the rules in India? Maybe the Chinese have found them most unfavorable and so are have gone elsewhere.

]]> By: Nick in Shanghai http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32145 Nick in Shanghai Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:41:40 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32145 Sorry I can't give those details at the moment, even though it's second hand news it does come from a good source. I was told it's happening and govt. licenses have been issued.......it'll be WOFE ventures not JV. I'm sure the cat will be outa the bag before too long. Sorry I can’t give those details at the moment, even though it’s second hand news it does come from a good source. I was told it’s happening and govt. licenses have been issued…….it’ll be WOFE ventures not JV.

I’m sure the cat will be outa the bag before too long.

]]> By: Mememe http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/comment-page-1/#comment-32137 Mememe Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:39:43 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/09/are-the-chinese-players-afraid-of-the-indian-markets/#comment-32137 hello hello

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