China Car Times

OUCH (but ever so true)…………..

ouch ? ouch what??
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what’s the big deal about buying a brand that’s already perfectly adapted to the local market demands??
It’s a MUCH SMARTER MOVE than creating a new division, investing millions to someday figure out if it may work!!
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woxihuanpijiu and joninchina, this shows EXACTLYv that you still have much to learn about the auto industry dynamics!
GMAP (Asia-Pacific) was one of the GM divisions that has grown the most within the whole GM corporation, which only shows that it is taking the right steps in your market! Last I heard, I think GM is the second best seller brand in China!
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And… what the hell is GM about all this???
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FIRST of all we were discussing about those ugly chinese copies of fugly vehicles!!!!
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if you are supportive the TOTAL DISRESPECT for IP, and supportive that chinese manufacturers simply COPY other cars instead of trying to develop new products and try to take own steps, than I guess it’s clear who’s the one that’s against the development of the Chinese auto industry here!!!

While I respect BYD’s rise in a few short years and what seems to be a decent showing from its electrical engines, I gotta agree with jackson here; this blatant copying is really holding back the development of the Chinese auto industry. I’m all for rooting for my fellow Chinese, but there’s gotta be some sorta regulation to control this rampant violation of IP in order to force manufacturers to actually go and pay people to do some designs. There’s GOT to be talented industrial designers SOMEWHERE on the mainland!

I know someone’s going to say the Japanese started by “copying” others as well, but just because they did it, doesn’t mean we have to do it! I rather drive an ugly but original POS (maybe it’ll turn out to be a classic?) than a mediocre ripped off POS.

Jackson……first of all my comment was simply meant IN FUN. Second…..if you would bother to read ANY of my past postings, you would realize that I am in fact a BIG supporter of the chinese car industry. I LIVE IN CHINA DUDE……..and I am just AMAZED at the progress they’ve shown in quality control AND original designs the last several years. No, I’m not talking about BYD - but how about the designs from Brilliance, the newer offerings from Chery (A1, A3, etc..), Changan (CV6, CV8) - even Geely with the King Kong, Vision and the Panda (ok…….maybe NOT the Panda). My POINT???? The Chinese car industry is IMPROVING - and improving QUICKLY. I DO agree that companies like BYD need to stop “copying” other designs…….and they WILL in the future (they MUST or they won’t survive in the long term). HOWEVER, I DO respect BYD for their incredible growth in such a SHORT period of time - as well as their ability to put out a quality product (even if the design is “inspired” by something else). As far as GM…..a good corporate move to buy Daewoo - but it DOESN’T ELIMINATE the fact that they couldn’t do it ON THEIR OWN. That’s pretty sad for the world’s BIGGEST auto manufacturer, don’t you think? How about this - if GM would stop spending SO MUCH money on R&D for the latest gas hungry SUV and start thinking about a practical car for the needs of TODAY’S world….maybe they wouldn’t be losing BILLIONS in revenue right now. In ANY case, MY comment (and I think woxihuanpijiu’s as well) was meant for the “lighter” side of things - next time you might want to THINK instead of reacting in such a harsh manner.

joninchina is right, it was a light hearted comment at GM because they couldn’t design a decent small vehicle on their own. I’m sure they could so it if they really wanted to but they took the easy option out and bought Daewoo after failing to buy Fiat (could have been around the same time, not really my interest). Seeing Vauxhall has a history of making smaller vehicles wouldn’t that experience be called on FIRST rather than spending millions purchasing another brand just for the IP?? (Like they did with Daewoo). Maybe those European inspired GMs weren’t deemed good enough for China even though they sold good numbers in other countries in the GMAP zone. Chinese consumers are not as stupid as you think they are. Most of them know a BYD is NOT a Toyota but at half the price and a similar (very very very similar) outside shell do you really think they care? I am not directly involved with “auto industry dynamics” But I like many on this site are a potential CUSTOMER who lives in China and thinks as long as the car is safe and reliable (preferably with a working handbrake) then whats the problem? I love seeing how the industry is unfolding here. A few years ago every second car on the road was a Jetta or Santana, now you can sit on the road and see 50 different vehicles in 10 minutes (not recommended without a respirator).
Do you come here because you have an interest in the Chinese industry or because your job at GM working on some of the worst vehicles in the US last year is getting to you and you need to vent your frustration somehow? Instead of being hypocritical about any non GM products (you never comment that some GMs are not so good) wouldn’t you feel better to acknowledge that BYD have a long way to go and need some help getting there.

Long post, I think I better put on my Pamu shoes and Reabak top and go buy a 5 kuai DVD and some Doritos… I’ll scream if they copy Doritos.

Damn, you get DVD’s for 5 rmb??? I have to pay 6 rmb for mine!!

I normally pay 9 rmb for the ones ripped from HD(RIP)/Blue ray etc (still has the menus…varying quality) but the guy in front of my place sells the normal ones out of a wooden box for 5 rmb… depends how far I want to walk….lol.
Before everyone else flames me about copy movies I should state that if Hollywood would release more movies here at a reasonable price (say 20-30 RMB) then people would think more about buying them instead of copies… Making movies worth more than 5 rmb would be welcomed too…. some are absolute rubbish.

I buy real ones every now and again, some Chinese some foreign. Real ones are around 15 to 100rmb depending on their packaging and extra feature bits.

Im getting old though, and firmly believe there hasnt been a good movie since…..

I also buy real ones only. That’s because I rarely buy films.
Instead of buying fake ones I rather just download the movie.
don’t even need to leave home