Comments on: Beijing Auto Works: Working on making Chinese muscle cars? http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/ Explaining the Chinese Car Industry and Chinese Cars Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:47:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: Ash http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45637 Ash Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:17:46 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45637 Comments closed pending clean up. Comments closed pending clean up.

]]> By: M0L0TOV http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45422 M0L0TOV Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:13:39 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45422 If that were the case, why is Mercedes providing Ssangyong with an 8 speed auto and V8 engine if they mistrusted the now Chinese owned Ssangyong? If that were the case, why is Mercedes providing Ssangyong with an 8 speed auto and V8 engine if they mistrusted the now Chinese owned Ssangyong?

]]> By: I_Hate_China http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45384 I_Hate_China Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:59:22 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45384 > Did the BAW/Chrysler relation dissolve after DCX broke up, or what? Beijing' JV with Daimler went nowhere. Newly independent Chrysler is working with Chery. Daimler historically mistrusted Chinese. For example, Ssangyong had no problem licensing Mercedes chassis and powertrain when it was Korean owned, but found that Daimler was no longer willing to cooperate once SAIC took it over. Accordingly, Beijing's main technology source is Hyundai, and Beijing's self-brand vehicles are based on Hyundai designs. > Did the BAW/Chrysler relation dissolve after DCX broke up, or what?

Beijing’ JV with Daimler went nowhere. Newly independent Chrysler is working with Chery.

Daimler historically mistrusted Chinese. For example, Ssangyong had no problem licensing Mercedes chassis and powertrain when it was Korean owned, but found that Daimler was no longer willing to cooperate once SAIC took it over.

Accordingly, Beijing’s main technology source is Hyundai, and Beijing’s self-brand vehicles are based on Hyundai designs.

]]> By: I_Hate_China http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45383 I_Hate_China Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:54:19 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45383 > and it doesn’t matter if it is in house design or not, as long as it is a chinese branded car and not copy of something else then it’s ok. This is very much true. Copying somebody else's design is totally unacceptable, but paying foreign studios and engineering consulting firms to design your car is a perfectly acceptable practice. The only problem with this "paying off foreigners to design Chinese brand car" is that it's expensive and only a few companies can afford to do it. > and it doesn’t matter if it is in house design or not, as long as it is a chinese branded car and not copy of something else then it’s ok.

This is very much true. Copying somebody else’s design is totally unacceptable, but paying foreign studios and engineering consulting firms to design your car is a perfectly acceptable practice.

The only problem with this “paying off foreigners to design Chinese brand car” is that it’s expensive and only a few companies can afford to do it.

]]> By: I_Hate_China http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45382 I_Hate_China Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:50:56 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45382 > Which design houses turned out these beauties? Were they Italian, Japanese, Korean or even Chinese perhaps? It's fairly easy to tell which ones are designed by foreign studios on contract and which ones are designed in China. - The ones resembling foreign concepts are almost certainly foreign designed on contract. - The quirky looking ones are probably designed in house. > Which design houses turned out these beauties? Were they Italian, Japanese, Korean or even Chinese perhaps?

It’s fairly easy to tell which ones are designed by foreign studios on contract and which ones are designed in China.

- The ones resembling foreign concepts are almost certainly foreign designed on contract.

- The quirky looking ones are probably designed in house.

]]> By: mememe http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45373 mememe Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:31:23 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45373 and it doesn't matter if it is in house design or not, as long as it is a chinese branded car and not copy of something else then it's ok. and it doesn’t matter if it is in house design or not, as long as it is a chinese branded car and not copy of something else then it’s ok.

]]> By: mememe http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45370 mememe Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:14:49 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45370 I just have the feelings that Chery Faira YY will be the first one to hit the roads. I just have the feelings that Chery Faira YY will be the first one to hit the roads.

]]> By: mememe http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45369 mememe Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:13:01 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45369 Even if they not not made in house, they still have a chance to make it on the road, example is the italian designed Chery S18, will soon be on the road. ye ash please write something about the CH design scorpio supercar concept and the Chang'an Roadster concept with its new engine. Even if they not not made in house, they still have a chance to make it on the road, example is the italian designed Chery S18, will soon be on the road.
ye ash please write something about the CH design scorpio supercar concept and the Chang’an Roadster concept with its new engine.

]]> By: dragin http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45365 dragin Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:49:15 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45365 "WOW", I agree Caroline, that the concept cars being displayed by Chinese manufacturers at this year's show are really eye-appealing. But most of them are not made by in-house designers, and so are unlikely to ever appear on the road. China Car Times can you give us the story behind it all? Which design houses turned out these beauties? Were they Italian, Japanese, Korean or even Chinese perhaps? “WOW”, I agree Caroline, that the concept cars being displayed by Chinese manufacturers at this year’s show are really eye-appealing. But most of them are not made by in-house designers, and so are unlikely to ever appear on the road.
China Car Times can you give us the story behind it all? Which design houses turned out these beauties? Were they Italian, Japanese, Korean or even Chinese perhaps?

]]> By: I_Hate_China http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45348 I_Hate_China Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:53:27 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45348 > Bah, then I guess it’s nothing to be excited about. More garbage that looks good. Exactly. Hyundai doesn't want Chinese to have the latest tech and plans to keep a generational gap between itself and Beijing Automotive http://www.hyundai-blog.com/index.php/2010-hyundai-sonata-yf-spy-shots/ Hyundai YF Sonata undergoing testing. Launching next-year(Two full generations after Beijing EF700) > Bah, then I guess it’s nothing to be excited about. More garbage that looks good.

Exactly. Hyundai doesn’t want Chinese to have the latest tech and plans to keep a generational gap between itself and Beijing Automotive

http://www.hyundai-blog.com/index.php/2010-hyundai-sonata-yf-spy-shots/

Hyundai YF Sonata undergoing testing. Launching next-year(Two full generations after Beijing EF700)

]]> By: aron http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45347 aron Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:48:22 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45347 And lastly, the Sonata is a mid-sized sedan, which seems to fit the description of the 700, but what about the 800? It would seem odd to release two cars on the same platform, and I doubt Hyundai would let anyone use their flagship Genesis chassis. I hope they source one from a better company anyways. And lastly, the Sonata is a mid-sized sedan, which seems to fit the description of the 700, but what about the 800? It would seem odd to release two cars on the same platform, and I doubt Hyundai would let anyone use their flagship Genesis chassis. I hope they source one from a better company anyways.

]]> By: aron http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45346 aron Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:45:52 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45346 Actually, I notice that's for Beijing Hyundai JV which apparently is different from the Beijing Chrysler JV. can anyone clarify the difference/relation in the two? Did the BAW/Chrysler relation dissolve after DCX broke up, or what? Actually, I notice that’s for Beijing Hyundai JV which apparently is different from the Beijing Chrysler JV. can anyone clarify the difference/relation in the two? Did the BAW/Chrysler relation dissolve after DCX broke up, or what?

]]> By: aron http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45345 aron Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:44:02 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45345 Bah, then I guess it's nothing to be excited about. More garbage that looks good. Bah, then I guess it’s nothing to be excited about. More garbage that looks good.

]]> By: I_Hate_China http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45334 I_Hate_China Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:40:04 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45334 http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200704/200704230016.html Hyundai Joint Venture in China Building New Sedan Beijing Hyundai Motor, a joint venture between Hyundai Motor and the Beijing Automotive Industry in China, said it plans to independently build a new mid-size sedan to be released in China in 2010. The project will be developed at Beijing Automotive's new R&D center which is under construction and should be done in May 2008. A Chinese engineer formerly with GM in the U.S. was appointed by Beijing Automotive as the head of the new R&D center. Beijing Hyundai said Sunday that more than 500 Chinese engineers will be hired for the R&D center by 2010 when the new vehicle is set to be finished. Some core technologies and components from Hyundai Motor will be used in the new sedan. Noh Jae-man, the president of Beijing Hyundai Motor, announced at the Shanghai Motorshow on Friday that Hyundai Motor is planning to license the EF Sonata's platform, engine, and transmission technology to Beijing Hyundai for the project. "Although the new car will be based on licensed technology and components, it can still be seen as an independent Chinese vehicle since Chinese engineers are developing it and Beijing Hyundai Motor is the main body driving the development," a Hyundai Motor official said. Beijing Hyundai expects to produce 30,000 to 40,000 units of the new automobile in its first year, a number similar to the 37,117 EF Sonatas that Hyundai Motor sold in China last year. With the introduction of the new sedan, competition for Hyundai Motor in China is inevitable. Beijing Hyundai sold a total of 290,011 cars in China last year, including 169,716 Avante XD and 42,174 Accent vehicles. "Production of the EF Sonata in China will be suspended before Beijing Hyundai releases its independent model based on the EF Sonata," the Hyundai Motor official said. "The company will begin brand differentiation strategies by strengthening production of the new NF Sonata and other market strategies." http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200704/200704230016.html

Hyundai Joint Venture in China Building New Sedan

Beijing Hyundai Motor, a joint venture between Hyundai Motor and the Beijing Automotive Industry in China, said it plans to independently build a new mid-size sedan to be released in China in 2010.

The project will be developed at Beijing Automotive’s new R&D center which is under construction and should be done in May 2008. A Chinese engineer formerly with GM in the U.S. was appointed by Beijing Automotive as the head of the new R&D center.

Beijing Hyundai said Sunday that more than 500 Chinese engineers will be hired for the R&D center by 2010 when the new vehicle is set to be finished. Some core technologies and components from Hyundai Motor will be used in the new sedan.

Noh Jae-man, the president of Beijing Hyundai Motor, announced at the Shanghai Motorshow on Friday that Hyundai Motor is planning to license the EF Sonata’s platform, engine, and transmission technology to Beijing Hyundai for the project.

“Although the new car will be based on licensed technology and components, it can still be seen as an independent Chinese vehicle since Chinese engineers are developing it and Beijing Hyundai Motor is the main body driving the development,” a Hyundai Motor official said.

Beijing Hyundai expects to produce 30,000 to 40,000 units of the new automobile in its first year, a number similar to the 37,117 EF Sonatas that Hyundai Motor sold in China last year.

With the introduction of the new sedan, competition for Hyundai Motor in China is inevitable. Beijing Hyundai sold a total of 290,011 cars in China last year, including 169,716 Avante XD and 42,174 Accent vehicles.

“Production of the EF Sonata in China will be suspended before Beijing Hyundai releases its independent model based on the EF Sonata,” the Hyundai Motor official said. “The company will begin brand differentiation strategies by strengthening production of the new NF Sonata and other market strategies.”

]]> By: I_Hate_China http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45328 I_Hate_China Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:32:16 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45328 > I wonder if Merc managed to let BAW use any old chassis lying around like how they put the 300C and Charger on the old E-class chassis! That would be amazing… Beijing 700 and 800 ride on Hyundai EF Sonata chassis. > I wonder if Merc managed to let BAW use any old chassis lying around like how they put the 300C and Charger on the old E-class chassis! That would be amazing…

Beijing 700 and 800 ride on Hyundai EF Sonata chassis.

]]> By: Caroline http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45306 Caroline Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:19:44 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45306 WOW just wow, for the first time in my life I feel attracted to Chinese cars ! Ok they're just concept, the 700R concept has styling elements from the Lexus LF-A roadster and the 800 share a strikling ressemblance with the back doors of a Lexus LS460 but when it comes to the 700 sedan, BAW amazes me a lot ! And you know why ? Because it looks like a lot what a next-generation Lexus GS could look like, it has so many of the first Toyota Aristo's styling references (the BRilliance BS6 has also some but copycat ones). The funny thing is Lexus has not released yet a concept of their next GS. BAW WOW WOW, certainly a name to to remember ! WOW just wow, for the first time in my life I feel attracted to Chinese cars ! Ok they’re just concept, the 700R concept has styling elements from the Lexus LF-A roadster and the 800 share a strikling ressemblance with the back doors of a Lexus LS460 but when it comes to the 700 sedan, BAW amazes me a lot ! And you know why ? Because it looks like a lot what a next-generation Lexus GS could look like, it has so many of the first Toyota Aristo’s styling references (the BRilliance BS6 has also some but copycat ones). The funny thing is Lexus has not released yet a concept of their next GS. BAW WOW WOW, certainly a name to to remember !

]]> By: Edgar Koops http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45288 Edgar Koops Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:29:08 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45288 Beijing Car manufactorer has really made some stunning conceptcar's, they look awesome!!!! The Chinese are indeed going in the right direction with their designs, if they will go on that way they will conquer the world car market. These cars are beautifull.....congratulations BAW Beijing Car manufactorer has really made some stunning conceptcar’s, they look awesome!!!! The Chinese are indeed going in the right direction with their designs, if they will go on that way they will conquer the world car market. These cars are beautifull…..congratulations BAW

]]> By: Bob http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45263 Bob Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:08:14 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45263 Keeping my fingers crossed someone in China actually produces one of the many concept roadsters we've been seeing! Just curious, how do you access Wikipedia? The only way I've found to access it is through either VPN or through a remote system outside of China... Keeping my fingers crossed someone in China actually produces one of the many concept roadsters we’ve been seeing!

Just curious, how do you access Wikipedia? The only way I’ve found to access it is through either VPN or through a remote system outside of China…

]]> By: OS http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45244 OS Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:28:36 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45244 These don't look bad. I kinda get a Lexus vibe from the sedans, but they look pretty good. These don’t look bad. I kinda get a Lexus vibe from the sedans, but they look pretty good.

]]> By: aron http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45237 aron Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:56:50 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45237 Thanks for the excellent coverage. It seems like autoblog left out the 700 sedan and the 800. Very nice! I like the italicized Chinese characters for badging. . I just read in wikipedia that BAW builds various daimler-benz vehicles (before that got broken up), including the Merc C-class and E-class. That's intriguing, I wonder if Merc managed to let BAW use any old chassis lying around like how they put the 300C and Charger on the old E-class chassis! That would be amazing... Thanks for the excellent coverage. It seems like autoblog left out the 700 sedan and the 800. Very nice! I like the italicized Chinese characters for badging.
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I just read in wikipedia that BAW builds various daimler-benz vehicles (before that got broken up), including the Merc C-class and E-class. That’s intriguing, I wonder if Merc managed to let BAW use any old chassis lying around like how they put the 300C and Charger on the old E-class chassis! That would be amazing…

]]> By: hello http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45211 hello Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:05:05 +0000 http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/04/25/beijing-auto-works-working-on-making-chinese-muscle-cars/#comment-45211 those pattern designs at the front and the back really remind me of those design in the ancient chinese architecture especially those wooden window frames. do you have any bigger clearer pictures for 700r ? those pattern designs at the front and the back really remind me of those design in the ancient chinese architecture especially those wooden window frames. do you have any bigger clearer pictures for 700r ?

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