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BYD to supply battery tech to Euro/US car makers

1 April 2009 9 Comments

So sayeth the WSJ:

BEIJING — Fledgling auto maker BYD Co. is in talks to supply its batteries to car companies in Europe and the U.S., Chairman Wang Chuanfu said in an interview.

A deal could solidify BYD’s growing prominence in the electric-car market after it surprised the automotive world by launching a plug-in car in December, ahead of more established foreign rivals.

Mr. Wang, BYD’s top executive and founder, and other BYD officials declined to identify the companies the Chinese company is negotiating with. Mr. Wang said BYD is negotiating with one U.S. auto maker and two in Europe about supplying lithium-ion batteries it produces in Shenzhen, where BYD is based. Companies including Toyota Motor Corp., General Motors Corp. and Nissan Motor Co. have chosen battery suppliers for their electric cars, but others are still talking to various companies or haven’t announced who their suppliers are.

Mr. Wang said the batteries it is considering supplying are the same ones used in its F3DM sedan, a plug-in hybrid that BYD started selling in December to Chinese fleet customers, such as state-owned enterprises and government agencies. The F3DM’s limited release hit the market about a year ahead of a similar car, also initially for fleet customers, being planned for late this year by Toyota. BYD plans to start selling the F3DM to consumers in June.

A deal to supply its batteries to other car companies could put BYD — a battery producer that began selling cars in 2005 — in competition with battery companies with similar technology, such as A123 Systems Inc., a closely held company based in Watertown, Mass. A123 Systems couldn’t be reached for comment.

Mr. Wang said BYD’s ability to produce lithium-ion battery cells at relatively low cost, in part because of its choice of technology and inexpensive Chinese labor, gives the company an advantage over other battery makers. Last year, a company controlled by investor Warren Buffett invested $230 million in BYD, chiefly because of BYD’s cost-effective technology.

Concerns over gasoline shortages and climate change have prompted a global race to commercialize affordable electric-battery cars and plug-in hybrids like the F3DM that get most of their power from their batteries. Those efforts have been limited largely by immature battery technology.

While lithium-ion batteries are seen as the technology that will ultimately work, their successful use has been hindered by relatively high price, limited durability and safety concerns. BYD says it has largely resolved those issues by turning to a safer, more cost-effective technology called iron-phosphate-based lithium-ion.

A few weeks ago, the Honda CEO rubbished the BYD hybrid car as nonsense:

In an interview with the Chinese automotive website, auto.163.com, Honda’s president Mr.Takeo Fukui, downplayed any enthusiasm over BYD’s launch of the BYD F3DM (Dual Mode Electric Hybrid) sedan at the Guangzhou Auto Show.

Mr.Takeo Fukui believes that hybrid technology is still in its infancy, and for the large part, has not crossed the psychological barrier of 100km per charge, which would no doubt bring many consumers flooding into the dealerships looking for cheap EV cars. Mr.Takeo Fukui commented that BYD’s research into EV technology cannot be that great at this stage (BYD’s parent company is one of the leading producers and developers of cell phone batteries)

Now with international auto manufacturers queuing up around the BYD head offices to buy battery technology, we wonder if Honda executives will be taking their place in the line?

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9 Comments »

Comment by Fiziks
2009-04-01 12:52:22

It is Japanese pride…

One day Chinese and Korean automakers will put them out of the map.

 
Comment by Martin
2009-04-01 15:23:08

@Fiziks,
I don’t believe that to be true.
Maybe a few smaller Japanese OEM’s will give up the strugle against the Chinese and Korean, but the larger ones will remain.
Also because Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi for instance have huge companies not only relying on their automotive activities.

You are right of course that this is Japanes pride. And yes, the Chinese and Korean OEM’s are taking larger pieces of the pie in the future.

 
Comment by dragin
2009-04-01 20:43:53

“…..BYD’s research into EV technology cannot be that great at this stage….”
No Mr. Fukui, the research is indeed great, but it’s the real world logged mileage that is lacking so far. The telephone batteries and electricals have a great track record but as yet the car stuff is unproven.

 
Comment by I___H_a_t_e___China
2009-04-02 22:22:02

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123861479503479353.htm

SAIC has passed on BYD’s battery and went straight to A123′s original battery for its hybrids. It’s interesting to see that BYD’s having trouble convincing Chinese automakers in using its battery.

 
Comment by mememe
2009-04-03 18:21:43

@IHC
The link is not working.

 
Comment by aron
2009-04-04 06:28:47

Yep, SAIC contracted Delphi and A123 to create a hybrid power train. I’m sure Delphi would be a lot more comfortable working with an American supplier than Chinese. It’d also look pretty bad on SAIC to have to rely on a Chinese competitor for key components instead of a traditional OEM supplier.
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It’s no surprise companies look to foreign suppliers anyways. Kinda like how Genesis’ 2.0T uses Mitsubishi’s 4B11 engine block from the Ralliart Lancer.

 
Comment by Andy
2009-04-14 22:03:52

Here be the news: BYD has sold total of 80 F3DM and has been available only for fleet buyers. Me thinks they have not launched F3DM but are doing fleet testing instead. Now has this conveniently been lost in the translation? http://gm-volt.com/2009/04/13/byd-fd3m-worlds-first-mass-produced-electric-car-not-catching-on-in-china/

Apparently they have not started manufacturing in large numbers. When can we assume this will start and when will F3DM be launched for real?

Also, it seems that F3DM does 60 miles AER only when driven 31 mph. Can you confirm?

Comment by dragin
2010-05-10 21:25:40

Yes Andy the F3DM was launched to fleet buyers in December 09. But availabity to private individuals was set for September 09, and then delayed until March of 2010. It’s been reported that, while 62 were produced in 2009, only 47 were sold.

As for the range, these type of figures being released by BYD, and others, have no validity since the conditions of driving have not been revealed. And unfortunately there has been no real world feedback up to now.

When fuel economy claims are made by manufacturers, at least the basic driving conditions are stated.

Comment by CCT
2010-05-10 21:56:30

Actually, it appears that the government also chime in with actual ‘comprehensive’ fuel consumption figures for all new cars. The manufacturers always show xL at x/kmph, which is a little misleading as we’re not always sitting at 90kph for 100km, the governments comprehensive figure for a mixture of city and urban driving is much more believable.

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