Comments on: BYD to supply battery tech to Euro/US car makers

By: CCT

CCT — Mon, 10 May 2010 13:56:30 +0000

Actually, it appears that the government also chime in with actual ‘comprehensive’ fuel consumption figures for all new cars. The manufacturers always show xL at x/kmph, which is a little misleading as we’re not always sitting at 90kph for 100km, the governments comprehensive figure for a mixture of city and urban driving is much more believable.

By: dragin

dragin — Mon, 10 May 2010 13:25:40 +0000

Yes Andy the F3DM was launched to fleet buyers in December 09. But availabity to private individuals was set for September 09, and then delayed until March of 2010. It’s been reported that, while 62 were produced in 2009, only 47 were sold.

As for the range, these type of figures being released by BYD, and others, have no validity since the conditions of driving have not been revealed. And unfortunately there has been no real world feedback up to now.

When fuel economy claims are made by manufacturers, at least the basic driving conditions are stated.

By: Andy

Andy — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:03:52 +0000

Here be the news: BYD has sold total of 80 F3DM and has been available only for fleet buyers. Me thinks they have not launched F3DM but are doing fleet testing instead. Now has this conveniently been lost in the translation? http://gm-volt.com/2009/04/13/byd-fd3m-worlds-first-mass-produced-electric-car-not-catching-on-in-china/

Apparently they have not started manufacturing in large numbers. When can we assume this will start and when will F3DM be launched for real?

Also, it seems that F3DM does 60 miles AER only when driven 31 mph. Can you confirm?

By: aron

aron — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:28:47 +0000

Yep, SAIC contracted Delphi and A123 to create a hybrid power train. I’m sure Delphi would be a lot more comfortable working with an American supplier than Chinese. It’d also look pretty bad on SAIC to have to rely on a Chinese competitor for key components instead of a traditional OEM supplier.
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It’s no surprise companies look to foreign suppliers anyways. Kinda like how Genesis’ 2.0T uses Mitsubishi’s 4B11 engine block from the Ralliart Lancer.

By: mememe

mememe — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:21:43 +0000

@IHC
The link is not working.

By: I___H_a_t_e___China

I___H_a_t_e___China — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:22:02 +0000

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123861479503479353.htm

SAIC has passed on BYD’s battery and went straight to A123′s original battery for its hybrids. It’s interesting to see that BYD’s having trouble convincing Chinese automakers in using its battery.

By: dragin

dragin — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:43:53 +0000

“…..BYD’s research into EV technology cannot be that great at this stage….”
No Mr. Fukui, the research is indeed great, but it’s the real world logged mileage that is lacking so far. The telephone batteries and electricals have a great track record but as yet the car stuff is unproven.

By: Martin

Martin — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:23:08 +0000

@Fiziks,
I don’t believe that to be true.
Maybe a few smaller Japanese OEM’s will give up the strugle against the Chinese and Korean, but the larger ones will remain.
Also because Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi for instance have huge companies not only relying on their automotive activities.

You are right of course that this is Japanes pride. And yes, the Chinese and Korean OEM’s are taking larger pieces of the pie in the future.

By: Fiziks

Fiziks — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:52:22 +0000

It is Japanese pride…

One day Chinese and Korean automakers will put them out of the map.