BYD SUV Revealed! – Its not a Lexus RV, its not a Lexus RV…
A few months ago a picture of a forthcoming BYD concept car made its way to the internet showing a Porsche Cayenne with BYD logos, although it seems that it might have been a teaser to see what the public’s reaction would be or perhaps even fan art. Later renderings showed a Lexus RX inspired vehicle, which seems to have made it to the road testing stage of production:
The front end is considerably different from the last generation Lexus RX, but the rest of the body is very similar. BYD may have tried to give the old girl a new nose job with a new grill and sharper looking lights, but its still obvious where the original design cues came from. The S6′s interior looks to be different from the RX’s, the RX has a distinctive three pod binacle set up, where as the S6 has gone for a traditional scoop over the RPM, and speedometer dials. It looks like the S6 has a start-stop button for the engine, and also a USB plug for the stereo.
What power plant the S6 will be getting is still unknown, it might be the sleepy 2.0L unit that is used in the BYD F8 coupe which boasts a 0-100kph time of 14 seconds.
Still, its likely that this BYD S6 will retail for around 150,000rmb which is pretty much a bargain considering its a Lexus for beer money.
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bummer, already bought the porsche decals…
Yes, BYD has successfully copied all the fragile, potentless styling of the RX body. The girls should love it, and out in the woods the fawns will probably suckle at its door handles.
Why is BYD ruining the reputation of its own brand like this?
A ruined brand costs tens of billions and decades to repair, if ever.
Basically, BYD’s making itself a laughing stock in the eyes of western consumers with rip-off models like this. This is a small world and Americans and Europeans would be laughing at this BYD RX tomorrow, if not already.
Ever wonder why BYD, the supposed biggest cellphone battery company in the world, can’t land any electric car battery order? BYD’s ill reputation has a lot to do with that in the eyes of western auto executives.
To I __ H a t e __ C h i n a,
“Ever wonder why BYD, the supposed biggest cellphone battery company in the world, can’t land any electric car battery order? BYD’s ill reputation has a lot to do with that in the eyes of western auto executives.”
Wake up moron! China is the already the biggest new auto market. AND those western auto executives are probably busy looking for a job.
@ Fact
> Wake up moron! China is the already the biggest new auto market.
The US was the biggest auto market for 80 years before the current market collapse, yet American cars hardly had any influence outside of US during its 80 year reign, it was strictly an America thing with single exception of Middle East with cheap gasoline. Compare American cars to Japanese cars, which were trend-setters and influenced the design of European and American cars that looked to emulate Japanese system.
China may well be biggest auto market in the world right now, but it is controlled by foreign brands with 75% market share and Chinese indigenous cars have hardly any influence outside of China.
With clone cars like Lexus copy, does BYD expect foreign automakers to take them seriously, both as an automaker and a battery maker? Where is the guarantee that BYD’s batteries aren’t copies of some foreign batteries just like their cars? This is why BYD kept losing and losing in battery supply contract competition, because American and European automakers don’t take BYD’s name seriously.
What does that have to with BYD ruining its reputation? They really are.
Sorry posted too quickly.
This is the reality of Chinese brand cars in developed markets.
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2704919/
“5 Chinese Automakers Exported 745 Vehicles to EU in 9 Months
Mon. December 07, 2009; Posted: 06:46 AM
BEIJING, Dec 07, 2009 (SinoCast Daily Business Beat via COMTEX) — BCAHY | Quote | Chart | News | PowerRating — Five Chinese automaker, including Brilliance China Automotive Holdings Ltd. (NYSE: CBA; SEHK: 1114), Chongqing Chang’an Automobile Co. Ltd. (SZSE: 000625), and Great Wall Motor Co., Ltd. (SEHK: 2333), exported only 745 vehicles to the European Union (EU) in the first nine months of 2009.
The well-known auto expert Zhong Shi said that he knew China’s auto export to the EU was not big, but he did not imagine the export was so small. In particular, the first Chinese comers to the EU, Brilliance China and the Landwind brand of Jiangling Holding, separately gained an export volume of eight and one.
Jiangling Holding has been the first Chinese automaker that started exporting vehicles to Europe. However, it only sold a Landwind to the continent in September.
Chongqing Lifan Group is also on the list of major Chinese auto exporters to the EU. It contributed only 24 vehicles to the national total export to the EU. Great Wall Motor accounted for 675, and Chang’an Automobile, with six overseas plants, contributed 34.
In contract, it was easier for Chinese automakers to march into the Russian and East European markets. However, due to the shrink of these markets, Chinese automakers still suffered a lot.
In the first ten months of this year, Chery Automobile Co., Ltd. sold 3,860 vehicles in Russia, dropping 74 percent year on year and compared with a yearly record of 300,000. The sales of Great Wall Motor and BYD Auto both slumped more than 70 percent in Russia. Lifan Group also incurred a sales fall in the country.
In spite of that, Chinese automakers have not abandoned the European market. Indstead, they have changed their strageties. In addition to a plant in Mexico, Chang’an Automobile is considering a foray into Turkey. Geely Group and Great Wall Motor are also working on their expansion in Turkey.
Chery Automobile has even started talks upon the construction of a joint venture factory in Turkey. It decided to spend USD 500 million on the formation of the Turkey factory, according to the local government.
The Chinese automaker will team up with the Turkish distribution services provider Mermerler in the completion of this project, and both sides have started the feasibility study. The Chery A3 will likely be selected as the car model for the preliminary production locally.
Last year, Chery Automobile launched the Chery A1 in Turkey, which has been popular with local consumers in a short time, said sources.”
what this I __ H a t e __ C h i n a said is totally true.
if there is any sane chinese then they should look at it this way
byd is endorsed by warren buffet and ofc other chinese makers will look up to them because they think byd must have done something right and if byd keeps pumping out copies then other chinese will follow suit thinking that copies are ok. NO !!! how can you build an innovation oriented economy if u let ppl like byd run wild ?
seriously tho what is up with the chinese makers ? can they not get the simple message thru their heads ? everyone’s been saying this for like god knows how many years , media, forum, internet , youtube and yet ppl like byd still don’t understand
they don’t have ppl speak english or what ?
Haven’t you noticed the people like Ed that will defend them to death? I am sure he isn’t alone.
Who cares what Europe or the US say or do. 1.5 million Chinese are enough to send BYD and Geely to worlds top producer. The Chinese just want to drive and they want cheap cars. So what if the are copy cats. Everything in China is copied. The Chinese are use to this already.
@ Robert
> So what if the are copy cats. Everything in China is copied.
Foreign brands control 75% of Chinese domestic auto market. Selling to Chinese consumers alone will not make these Chinese indigenous brands world beaters in Top 10; they must go overseas but all these clone cars are damaging not just their own brands, but the reputation of “China” itself which hurts all Chinese auto companies.
Also enough to encourage inflated egos so they never improve are accepted by any country with any kind of standard.
great … Build MY Dream more plz
I want a Genesis Coupe clone plz byd.
Build my dream … or build my death .. whichever comes first !
BYD = Buffet You Dreamer!
They will improve when our engineers go to work for BYD.
I doubt anything will get in the way of innovation.
We North American’s have already adjusted to buying everything from China….why not a car too…and EV at that. If the price is right, there is always a buyer whom is willing to bring one home to add to their driveway collection where there are already too many cars per family.
@ chausjm
> We North American’s have already adjusted to buying everything from China….why not a car too
You can throw away $10 Chinese sneakers when it breaks apart six months later.
You cannot throw away $15,000 Chinese car when it starts falling apart six months later.
You can buy Chinese for consumables, but not for durables like cars, big screen TVs, and refrigerators. Look what happened with American houses built with Chinese dry walls and see what I mean.
NO Chinese car in the past 5 years has fallen apart in 6 months, so shut it.
Ed that isn’t true. I drove a 10 day old BYD F0 that was having serious brake problems. The car literally would not stop they were so bad. Don’t tell me there aren’t problems in the firs 6 months. Yes they are under warranty and they should be fixed at no costs but that really isn’t acceptable to have major problems like that. In the US you can return a car if it happens an get all of your money back under Lemon Law. Here in China you are just screwed. So why risk it.
Pretty much every car has some kind of problems even in the first few month, but NO brand new Chinese car has FALLEN APART in the first 6 months.
All depends on your definitions of falling apart. Having more than 1 or 2 minor problems is falling apart to me. Brakes not working is falling apart for sure since it is such a huge safety issue besides. That car was not safe to drive.
The brakes were working on the car, don’t lie. Otherwise, you would’ve crashed, they may not have been working well, but they were working, and yours is the only case I’ve ever heard. Nobody has the same problem, plus, I don’t even know if you’re telling the truth or not.
Ed,
I have no reason to lie. I have said many times. It was the worst driving car I have ever driven. I have driven some really old cars over 30 year old cars from the 70s and none of them drove that bad. I would take a 30 year old car piece of crap Ford over a BYD F0 anyday.
again byd== build your dreamcrap
How pathetic…
We have invented so many great things in history and yet we need to copy another car design?!
Does Warren knows about this copying sh*t going around at BYD?
Obviously Warren Buffet doesn’t care. I doubt he makes money by going off morals.
lol warren buffet should withdraw all funds from this copycat company.
Oh dear BYD. I had such hope for you guys getting away from this. I believe BYD actually stands for Borrow Your Designs.
awesome comment! lol, Borrow Your Designs!
Yaow!
one of my mates just bought a byd f0. and it’s a good thing they copied the aygo nearly 100%. why? this way they couldn’t do much wrong.
point being: the design and everything might not be totally new, just plainly fake instead, but at least it leaves less room for errors… or in this case meaning you won’t have to drive around in a car that’s got s-class taillights, 5-series headlamps and a magotan rearend. with a chainsaw-sized mitsubishi engine.
i still think a fake cayenne would’ve been much more fun though!
But have you driven your friends F0? I drove my friends and it was the worst car I have driven. 10 days old and had brake problems.
yep, on road and on race track. car has done around 7000km now in two months. no brake problems.
buuuut…
when starting cold engine, it sounds like someone removed all the crankshaft bearings and put some needles in the oil – or something like that.
but other than that everything’s fine. well, as fine as it can get. the ride is just crap. bouncing from one bump to the other with no feeling of connection to the road in the steering wheel at all.
oh, and the transmission sounds the same as my 350.000km porsche’s. bevel gear….?
anyways. all in all it really isn’t too bad, compared to a qq or benben.
The engine accelerated pretty well. It surprised me but it sounds so bad. Really doesn’t seem like it will last long if it sounds that bad from the start. The transmission was pretty sloppy but I would guess about the same feel as all the old small trucks here. You know the ones that flip on their side if they get hit by a car.
China is the land of no trust. Since the cultural revolution everybody screws everybody else except their closest kin. It’s the far west of business, where no rules apply except win for the motherland. It’s a land of nationalism, mercantilist policies and protectionism. Their eagerness at winning will ultimately be their downfall. Their lack of philosophical approach towards life in a capitalist system, their disdain for balancing the need to amass and the need for morality, their utter ignorance of others, transforms their society into this ugly beast of amorality.
One may differ from the mass in this country, and many can be friendly, individual, creative, passionate and generous characters, or even if none of the above (like so many of us selfish westerners can be too!) at least balanced and reasonable individuals. But the damage to society as a whole has already been done, thus impacting on norms and value and implicitly influencing the way people do business in an irreversible way.
I deal with it everyday. Never trust a supplier until you have had many orders from them. Then still watch every shipment carefully. With our suppliers from other countries the worst thing we watch for is something not matching on qty when it arrives in the warehouse. With Chinese suppliers you have to watch for them shipping you total crap that you can’t use. So rare you have to deal with that in other countries. Or at least Europe and the U.S.. Companies in other countries understand that if you customers isn’t happy they will find a new supplier. So weird to see companies here not thinking about their future. If they make something wrong they want to ship it and get their money out of it. Save themselves $1000 now but lose $100,000 over a year or two. What kind of thinking is that?
@ Head Honcho
> So weird to see companies here not thinking about their future. If they make something wrong they want to ship it and get their money out of it. Save themselves $1000 now but lose $100,000 over a year or two. What kind of thinking is that?
“Long term business relationship” that governs Japanese and Korean businesses doesn’t govern Chinese businesses.
In Japan and Korea, companies forge long-term relationship and the buyer and suppliers often call each other “Mother Company” and “Child Company”, even though they have no capital holdings of each other. For example, Toyota will continue to buy from its Japanese supplier that it has been doing business with for 40 years, even if some Chinese supplier offers to supply the similar part at half price.
If this was the case with BYD or Chery, they would switch the supplier the next day, and keep switching as soon as they find someone else willing to supply for less. This is a very much profit-driven “American-like” business practice that has destroyed the US auto industry and earned ill-repuation for American cars. This Chinese pursuit of immediate profit is the reason why there are no world-class Chinese companies likes Toyota or Samsung, because Chinese don’t believe in forging long-term relationships that could harm immediate profit.
Don’t be an idiot, and stop blabbering if you don’t have any knowledge. There are obvious world class Chinese companies like Haier, Lenovo, BYD(batteries), and Huawei.
Ed,
We aren’t talking about those companies. Yes there are a few good companies here obviously. We are talking about the ones with bad practices which out number the good ones at this point. I can’t make any comment on BYD batteries. If they do business anything like their cars , they don’t deserve to be listed there. I don’t know if that is true or not but hard to believe they belong in a list of good business practices.
Ed,
I have been pretty open about my experience in China. It is only 7 years long total but I have seen a lot of things and I do live here in China. I am just curious if you are open enough to share your business experience in China. Do you work for a Chinese company?
@ Ed
> Don’t be an idiot, and stop blabbering if you don’t have any knowledge. There are obvious world class Chinese companies like Haier, Lenovo, BYD(batteries), and Huawei.
Haier and BYD mean nothing in the US and most certainly in Europe. Haier specifically is a cheapo bargain brand in the US, and very few people even heard of BYD.
Lenovo’s reputation is a little better, but Lenovo’s not a major laptop vender in the US.
Huawei is a reputable corporation(A rarity in China), but it’s not a consumer brand and 99.99% of people aren’t aware of its name, only telecom people do.
The specific lack of world class Chinese brand puzzles many in the West.
@ Head Honcho
> I can’t make any comment on BYD batteries. If they do business anything like their cars, they don’t deserve to be listed there.
American MIT spin-off battery venture A123 accuses BYD of stealing its battery tech by hiring its technicians at its Chinese factory and threatens to sue BYD if its batteries make it to the US.
I am near two of the factories so I have heard from things about how they do business. Lets just say their managment is on their own to do what they want. They can negotiate pricing on materials and often accept higher prices from suppliers if something is passed to them in an envelope. Even landlords that own the dorms their workers stay in have to pay someone to get the contract but they are allowed to charge extra to make up the difference. So seems pretty obvious Warren Buffet isn’t watching the books close enough there because they must be paying a little bit too much everywhere so some employees can pocket some extra cash.
This is exactly my point. Haier exports to all over the world, including N.A. and Europe, BYD is the largest rechargeable battery maker in the world, and the second biggest battery maker. Most of Nokia and a number of cellphone batteries are made by BYD. They both have a huge impact on N.A. AND EUROPE. (By the way, the U.S. is NOT everything, just because ignorant Americans don’t know them doesn’t mean they are not a world-class company.)Huawei has businesses all over the world, and they are business partners with the largest telecom companies. You would know them unless you don’t know enough, and Lenovo is the 4th largest PC maker in the world. Their laptops and desktops are regarded as the best quality PCs. You don’t even know what you’re talking about.
@ Heand Honcho
I think Warren Buffet knows his business a lot better then you, otherwise, he wouldn’t have made billions off the BYD deal in just a year.
Wall Street Journal joins BYD bashing.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704240504574587001841865032.html
@ Ed
> Haier exports to all over the world
Mostly to 3rd world countries.
> including N.A. and Europe
Haier’s presence in the US is very small, I can testify. When I go shopping at places like Best Buy and even Walmart, Haier products are hard to spot(unlike Samsung and Sonys positioned at premier spots), unless you specifically look for them in the bottom shelves or in the corner somewhere. The fact that Haier brand is worth nothing in the US may stun Chinese who have never been to the US, but that’s the reality.
> BYD is the largest rechargeable battery maker in the world
As OEM battery supplier to first tier cellphone vendors like Nokia.
> They both have a huge impact on N.A. AND EUROPE.
Nokia is big in Europe, but Samsung, LG, and iPhone own US market. Nokia is a minor player in the US.
> You would know them unless you don’t know enough, and Lenovo is the 4th largest PC maker in the world.
Their sales volume comes mostly from Chinese domestic market. Lenovo is a tiny minor player in the US, with a smaller market share than non-selling Macs. Asus, the 4th ranking PC/laptop brand in the US, is like 10 times bigger than Lenovo.
> Their laptops and desktops are regarded as the best quality PCs.
Not here in the US.
You have once again proven my point. The U.S. does not equal to the world. Just because a company does not capture a great amount of market share in the U.S., or just because you think they don’t, doesn’t mean they are not a world class company. And Lenovo ranked first in various quality studies done in the U.S. and around the world, and a number of them even met military standrads. While Haier products’ quality at least matches other competitor’s products, if not surpasses them.
Where is Lenovo reguarded at the best quality PC? Every report I have seen they are even below HP and usually in the middle of all the main brands. In China they might be reguarded as the top because none of the other brands ship much other than their bottom dollar machines in because of high taxes and China isn’t a huge consumer of high-end computers.
Ed,
I am noticing you are talking like all these Chinese brands are the best all over the world but the brands you keep saying are doing well in China or only dominating the Chinese market.
Ed,
No one ever said there is no such thing as a Chinese company that is doing well and known world wide. We are getting so far off the original subject. Lets get back to where it started with you claiming that Chinese brand cars are so great and are dominating the world.
Ed,
China doesn’t equal the world either. No one ever said US is the world. Maybe you were thinking that deep down but no one said it. You are thinking about things that were never said. Not by me anyway. You assume so much. It really seems like you watch too much tv. Read a book instead.
When have I ever said China is equal to the world??! I was replying just because if a brand doesn’t have a huge amount of market share in the U.S. doesn’t mean they are not a world-class brand. Lenovo is at least one of the best PC brands, if not the best, and are you kidding??! Lenovo below HP??! Are you blind?? Insane?? HP is crap. I had a HP laptop and it broke within the first 2 months, which why I’m never buying HP again. A hefty price tag for a piece of garbage is unacceptable. In a recent study done in the U.S., Lenovo ranked first, while Acer, Compaq, HP and Dell ranked last. YOU are the one that assumes too much.
that’s just the way it is. It will not change. You can’t change what define’s a country’s culture.
@ Ed the angry Elf
“just because ignorant Americans don’t know them doesn’t mean they” So much anger or envy. Just relax dude.
@ Heand Honcho
I think Warren Buffet knows his business a lot better then you, otherwise, he wouldn’t have made billions off the BYD deal in just a year.
Dude read what I said before you try to come down on me for what I said. I said he has no morals. I didn’t say he doesn’t know business. Your comment has nothing to do with what I said. I never questioned his experience in business. It was yours I questioned and you didn’t even attempt to respond to that. Maybe you should just keep hiding it. Otherwise you might get laughed off of here.
haha, you’re bitter because I hit your sore spot. The U.S. is not everything, get over it.
Never said the US was everyting. In fact I have said many times I would never buy a US made car even. So what was your point again? I don’t even live in the US so come on. Make sure when you are making a point that it makes sense. I think you listen to the Chinese media too much and take US movies too seriously. TV isn’t real life.
I just don’t like to see over inflated egos pumping themselves up when they aren’t at the same level as the competition yet.
Maybe you should just get over it and admit you are an angry elf. Anyway Elf is my favorite Christmas movie.
You do realize that the Chinese media is not like the Western media?? They don’t make up, exaggerate, lie, and edit stories to deliberately paint another country in a negative image. It’s so ironic how you live in China, yet you don’t know ANYTHING about China. When it comes to the U.S., there is no competition.
Not bitter. Just having fun with you.
I’m not angry either, just “having fun” with you.
One question. What is a Lexus RV? Did they change it from RX? I thought the current model was RX 330 or something like that.
@ Head Honcho
> One question. What is a Lexus RV?
RV is a Chinese name for an SUV.
We call it SUV. Chinese call it RV.
Not wanting to further this argument any further, but I have two Lenovo’s and a Hasee PC’s, both are fantastic quality and are real work horses. The Hasee is brilliant considering it was so cheap. I might be tempted to buy a Chinese cellphone next time if there is something worth buying, I have used HTC in the past though. Most electronics in my house are Chinese too – Haier, Hisense etc etc.
Again. I don’t know how we got off onto all Chinese products. I think the Angry Elf was pushing their are great Chinese companies and no one ever argued against it. To claim they are the best in the world is something else. Pretty difficult to prove of and brand anyway. Not sure there is any brand that really dominates all markets in all countries.
CCT. Isn’t the Lexus RX 330 the car you were saying this wasn’t? What is tthe Lexus RV? Is that what it is called in China?
Do you have a HTC with an external keyboard? I am finding the keyboards only last about 8 months before they give out. Time to get the HD2 and skip the keyboard. The best laptop I ever had was a LG. Never had a problem with it. Until someone climbed in my balcony on the 5th floor on a rainy night and took it. I have had really bad luck with dell, HP, Compaq and Sony. Hard to find a smaller one that is built with quality and not a slow netbook. I looked at Lenovo but their 13 inch was too heavy.
main laptop is now a hasee netbook – 160gb hd, atom processor, 2gb RAM. Runs Win XP and Firefox fantastically, and sits in my bag and weighs no more than a textbook. The Lenovo’s are a bit big for my needs and I dont need a DVD drive for day to day stuff.
I had an external keyboard HTC, it was rather underpowered but great for texting/emailing – forget surfing the net on it though. Now I use a Motorola 3G affair.
Editing – maybe. Ill look into it.
Yeah I have 500gb and 2.4ghz dual core. I have lots of graphics to deal with so I can’t go the way of a netbook but I like small size because I have to take it everywhere with me. A lightweight 13 inch that isn’t netbook power works for me.
My HTC is great for surfing the web other than the screen size. 2.8 inch is too small. Try the new opera browser. It is way faster for full web browsing. I think it is 10.0 beta.
angry elf lol
My typing is really bad. We really need an edit feature but maybe limit somehow to typo type editing. Is that possible?