Chinese auto sales to Europe stand at 745 vehicles
If you were looking at the title and thinking, “Surely that must be 700,450 vehicles, or even 7450 vehicles!” then you are completely wrong. The total number is set at just 745 vehicles, which will no doubt keep European manufacturers safe for a year or two until the Chinese get their rears in gear and start mass exporting to the EU:
From China Knowledge:
Statistics recently released by the European Automobile Manufacturers Association show that China exported only 745 automobiles to the EU in the period from January to September.
The exported cars were manufactured by five companies that included Brilliance Auto, Great Wall Motor Co Ltd and Chongqing Changan Automobile Co Ltd. Great Wall Motor alone exported 675 vehicles.
Compared to other markets, such as South America and Africa, Europe has very strict import rules. In order to export more cars, domestic auto makers are making great efforts to reach out to Russia and East Europe. If China wants to sell more cars to the EU, the quality of the cars should be improved, said Bernd Gottschalk, former chairman of the German branch of the European Automotive Manufacturers Association.
Despite the decrease in auto exports, China’s auto industry does not lose heart and continues to expand. After the foundation of a factory in Mexico, Chongqing Changan Auto is planning to set up a new factory in Turkey. Many other Chinese auto companies are also intending to build in Turkey. Because Turkey is close to the EU and to countries in West Asia, and cars produced in Turkey can be transported easily and cheaply to target markets, thus benefiting the Chinese auto industry.
So why is Italy such a hot little market for Chinese cars, do the Italians have different rules to the rest of the EU, or do they just have low expectations for their motoring needs?
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They probably regard the 23107 units of Honda Jazz* made in Guangzhou exported to Europe as Japanese….
(* Jan-Oct 2009)
@ erik van ingen schenau
> They probably regard the 23107 units of Honda Jazz* made in Guangzhou exported to Europe as Japanese….
They were counting Chinese brand car shipment only. Honda Jazz wears Japanese brand and is not counted.
The worst part is that this is a “shipment” figure, not a “sales” figure. Most of those shipped are collecting dust at dealer lot.
Maybe it was meant at Chinese brand cars and not really Chinese made cars. Hey Ed. The Chinese cars are taking over the world eh.
Yes they are. You do realize that Europe is not everything. The Chinese market alone is enough to make these brands at the top of their game. Most of the brands export to seventy to more than one hundred countries around the world.
Third world countries that don’t care about quality and only care about price.
Ignorant Americans don’t care about the truth, just their biased opinions.
I am not going to resort to name calling. Some more name calling. How 4th grade of you.
Can you please provide the original ACEA statement. 745 is a small number, given that 140 cars were sold in Greece only. Also chinese brands such as SH-Auto, Lifan and Jac are not mentioned here although they are available in Europe.
@ otheos
> 745 is a small number
And mostly to former Eastern European countries of EU like Slovenia and Romania no doubt.
i think that his information is false, first of all in europe you can buy great wall motor, shuanghauan auto, dongfeng mini autom,martin motors other models like lifan, dr auto or cherry, gonow or katay, much more vehicles are exported in europe
also in italy many chinese vehicles are homologated as commercial vehicles, not passenger vehciles, also cherry model tiggo is called DR in italy and it’s “manifcatured” in italy, italians only put enignes from fiat in them, so result is much bigger then 750 vehciles
What Chinese don’t seem to understand is that if one Chinese brand screws up in Europe, then all Chinese brands are collectively ruined.
And Chinese brands have been doing nothing but damaging “China” brand since the first push into European markets. Who could forget
- Brilliance BS6 scoring zero in German crash test
- Great Wall in Peri/Fiat Panda copy controversy and lawsuit
- Shuanghuan in Noble/SmartForTwo and SCEO/BMW X5 copy controversy
- Great Wall Landwind scoring zero in crash test
- Chery crash test in Russia
These negative images are permanently etched into collective memory of European consumers and they regard all Chinese brand cars as unsafe and unreliable copycat cars, even if some future Volvo based Geely scores perfect on crash test.
With used cars getting more reliable, there is no reason to risk buying a new Chinese car over a slightly used Japanese car if you are short on cash.
They are also improving at light speed. There was a time when Japanese cars were look upon as unreliable garbage. Brilliance improved the score from 0 stars to 3 in just 79 days, None of the lawsuits were won, and Chery’s A3, a completely self developed and designed car, scored a 5 star rating in 2008.
I actually do not remember a time when Japanese cars wee not trusted and thought unreliable. I grew up in California. remember my parents first new car which waa a toyota from 1974. They drove that car for 15 years until the paint was just about gone and it never had any real problems. Not only that but the cars then got better gas mileage. That car got like 40 mpg and it wasn’t a stupid hybrid.
The CheryA3 may have a great crash test rating but it still drives like crap. Drive that car and there is no doubt it was self-developed.
@ Head Honcho
I second Head Honcho’s comment on Japanese cars in the 70s.
Japanese cars never had quality problems, partially because American cars were so bad at that time. Sure they were a bit low on power, but all were overlooked during 1st and 2nd Oil Shock and people found out that Japanese cars were three times as reliable as American cars, and consumers never looked back and the Japanese quality legend was born.
Koreans did have major quality problem when they launched Excel in 1985, and Hyundai brand was damaged to the point of Hyundai considering a US market exit back in 1998. It took Hyundai tens of billions of dollars in quality improvement program(Hyundai spends $3 billion a year on quality management at its suppliers) to reach a long term relability parity with Lexus in the US according to 2009 Consumer Reports long term reliability survey, yet Hyundai still hasn’t gotten over skeptical consumers, even when Consumer Reports insist that Hyundais are as good as Lexus in reliability.
Chinese automakers on the other hand don’t seem to care for long term reliability or how a poor product negatively affects their brand and why it would cost them dearly to fix the damaged brand later. If Chinese automakers understood the concept of branding, then they would not dare to do anything to damage their brand, like copy cars and scoring zero on crash test, yet Chinese continue to do so because they just don’t understand, yet.
Chinese automakers on the other hand don’t seem to care for long term reliability or how a poor product negatively affects their brand and why it would cost them dearly to fix the damaged brand later. If Chinese automakers understood the concept of branding, then they would not dare to do anything to damage their brand, like copy cars and scoring zero on crash test, yet Chinese continue to do so because they just don’t understand, yet.
one more time you are witing silly things, of course that china car makers care about their brands and quality of vehciles, have you ever see the showroom of great wall in brescia in italy??? have you even saw showrooms in china, after sales areas and so on? have you ever work with any chinese company??? i work with them for 4 years, and i can say that it’s different
main problem in europe are importers, look at brilliance brand, briliance and landwind from holland will not have any problems if the importer pay extra 2000 usd to get more safety vehciles, but they don’t want them, in china you will get a product how you want to get it, bigger problem is that improters want to have big earning on vehciles and to buy them for cheap money, well…you can’t get “sheeps and village”, personaly i am very glad that german importer of brillance bankroubt because i hope that somebody eles will see the new vision with chinese brands in the future
before you write something stupid like that you shoud inform aobut that what you are writing!
- Brilliance BS6 scoring zero in German crash test, new crash test made in spanish idiada, 3 stars vehcile got, nissan also got 1 star for navara model and made a new test after a while, is that something wrong?
- Great Wall in Peri/Fiat Panda copy controversy and lawsuit – great wall never have plan to export peri into europe
- Shuanghuan in Noble/SmartForTwo and SCEO/BMW X5 copy controversy – it will be very silly to compare sceo with the BMW, it’s complety different vehciles
- Great Wall Landwind scoring zero in crash test – great wall landwind??? what the hell is that? something new in china? there is a brand called jiangling landwind with model x3 which was demolished by german tuv, who are also really full of crap
- Chery crash test in Russia – russia isn’t so complicated market such as markets of european union
Milos,
I am not sure you realize how foolish you sound.
- Great Wall in Peri/Fiat Panda copy controversy and lawsuit – great wall never have plan to export peri into europe
- Shuanghuan in Noble/SmartForTwo and SCEO/BMW X5 copy controversy – it will be very silly to compare sceo with the BMW, it’s complety different vehciles
So it is ok to copy. Great. So you have worked for many Chinese companies copying other companies products? Great.
It is never ok to copy someone elses products. Put your head in a hole in the ground if you have no creativity and must resort to a straight up copy. At least change it so no one knows the second they look at it that it is a copy. No respect to someone or a any company that copies everything and tries to sell it as their own. They should all be burned to the ground. Yes I do live in China. Yes I do business with Chinese companies. Yes I see copying all the time. I can say that it doesn’t happen at my factory. I have customers asking me to copy things often and I always say no. Nothing is made perfect. Everything can be improved. The Chinese car vision has no vision of the future. Their only vision is quantity numbers and money. They need someone to guide them into the future badly instead of dragging their tales in the mud. I can see mass chinese cars on the worldwide market soon with everyone hating Chinese products again saying the quality is bad and only junk is made in China. I fight that stupid image everyday because of stupid companies like Great Wall and BYD copying everything they see. The BYD factory is just down the street from here too. Hope a big typhoon comes in and wipes it out. So yeah Milo lets white wash everything wrong with Chinese car companies and the way thy are ruining the whole image of Chinese made products and praise them for it. Only an idiot will buy a piece of shit or someone that can only afford that piece of shit. My first car was a Ford Pinto I bought for $100. I am sure it was well worth $500 at the time. But it was a piece of shit and I bought because I could afford it. Do you think BYD F0 is selling because it is such a great car and BYD is doing things right? It is selling because it is cheap for here. I think it is too expensive for what it is but it is cheap. So it will sell. No one is counting how many people are getting killed in it because the breaks barely work or it gets munched easily in accidents. I have seen plenty of trucks loaded with crushed ones from accidents here. I am right by the factory. If they weren’ from crash tests people were killed or hurt very badly in those smashed cars. The end.
You guys must be suffering from memory loss, or are just ignorant then. When Japanese and Koreans cars first came to North America, they were regarded as crap. The CEO of Ford even joked that Toyota will never be able to catch up with the world leaders like them, but look at where they are now. History has and will repeat itself. No matter what you think. By the way, the 70s isn’t when they first exported to North America, so check what you’re saying.
I never said it was. But the 70s is as far back as I go. That is my experience with Japanese brands and I like other people on here won’t even try to talk about before my time. Quoting someone from before your time and no personal experience from back them is kind of pointless to talk about. Meaningless blabber isn’t useful.
Ed,
Personalites like you are what is holding China back from really being the world manufacturer. China already makes everything. But China is far from making the best of anything pretty much. The only things being made in China and reguarded as top quality are being managed by foreigners or is a foreign company. So don’t get all high and mighty. Were you in the US when the first Japanese cars came in. If you were I will shut up about it. But your personality suggests you are in in your early 20’s and have a lot to learn about life and business still.
and people like you is the reason why the States is falling apart. Arrogance was the reason why the Asians caught up, so don’t point your finger at me when you’re the one trashing everything posted here. You DON’T KNOW anything about China, and you have no right to be talking. If you haven’t had experience during the time when Japanese cars first got here, then don’t comment. Why don’t you give China 3 to 4 decades like Japan and I dare you to call them trash.
Actually the US isn’t falling apart. The roads are nice and everyone stays in their own lane, signals to change lanes and even stop at stoplights. Wow! Sounds like the worst place in the world to live doesn’t it. Just playing with you Ed. I can’t even go down a street in Long Gang here in Shenzhen without watching for a 30-40cm deep hole in the road and no one stops at stoplights. Not even the ones with cameras. They just go into oncoming lanes to get around the cameras. Yeah I know nothing and I am biased towards the trust. That doesn’t sound so bad to me. At least I am not day dreaming that everything made in China is great or anywhere in the world. Lets start with one step Ed. You name on product in China that you know is not good and then you can name 10 products in the US. But you have to name one in China first. That sound fair?
Biased towards the truth not trust. typo. We need a spell check or edit feature. Can edit your post 2 minutes after you add it.
@ Ed
> If you haven’t had experience during the time when Japanese cars first got here, then don’t comment.
I have read through old Car&Driver and Motor Trend magazine collection from the 70s at my school’s library, so I know how Americans felt about Japanese cars in the 70s.
And Americans felt very positive about Japanese cars, easily three times as reliable as American cars and twice as fuel efficient. Heck, Chrysler was using “High Performance” written in Kanji in its US market ads for rebadged Mitsubishi that it was selling, and GM was stressing that its cars were cheaper than comparable Nissans in its comparative ads. Yes, GM was actually underpricing Japanese cars back in the 70s!!! Why? Because public loved Japanese cars so much.
If Japanese ever had the perception of quality problems, then they would be like Hyundai today, where Consumer Reports scream they are now as reliable as Lexus but consumers remain skeptical and require a leap of faith to switch brand(Which they may get with forthcoming YF Sonata).
The US public perception of China’s poor quality is far far worse than that of Hyundai, and I don’t think Chinese brands would ever get over their poor quality perception, because it takes just one bad apple to destroy the public perception of all Chinese cars.
> Why don’t you give China 3 to 4 decades like Japan and I dare you to call them trash.
No need to wait out 4 decades to find out.
At least Made in China is a whole lot better than Made in the U.S. If the U.S. was so marvelous and China was so crappy, then what the hell are you doing in such a country when there are no potholes or people disobeying traffic laws in the U.S.??! And having to borrow trillions from China just to survive doesn’t sound so together to me.
and the Chinese will surpass the Japs and Koreans in terms of quality, if they haven’t yet, in a matter of decades. That’s how long Japan took to get their reputation about their vihicles up.
@ Ed
> At least Made in China is a whole lot better than Made in the U.S.
Not at all. “Made In USA” actually commands a premium pricing(with the exception of US autos) and many are willing to pay more for this tag, “Made In China” means dirt cheap bargain pricing.
> and the Chinese will surpass the Japs and Koreans in terms of quality
Chinese historically never cared for quality, and this isn’t about to change.
> That’s how long Japan took to get their reputation about their vihicles up.
When will you understand that Japanese cars never had poor quality reputation in the US? Heck, Japan was a country with 20 aircraft carriers, submarine aircraft carriers I-400, and rocket fighters before 1945. What do you think those Japanese scientists building Japanese nuclear bombs did after the war? They founded companies like Sony and Honda after war.
Why don’t you CHECK YOUR HISTORY before talking, are you blind??! Japanese products were regarded as cheap garbage when they first came to N.A. China was the most advanced country, innovation centre of the world, and always had the best quality until recent centuries, again, CHECK YOUR HISTORY. “Made in U.S.” is just garbage with a premium price tag.
Ed you are exactly right. In decades. So why are you arguing now? You make no sense. You just like to argue for no reason and throw out names making yourself look like a Chinese shut in.
and stop writing biased shit when you have no idea about the companies, you do NOT KNOW ANYTHING about them, so shut your mouth. I bet you can’t even pronounce half of their names correctly, so you have no right to be talking.
Please point out the shit we have no right at talking about. Be a bit more detailed. You are the most close minded person on here. I wanted to buy a chinese brand car. But then I drove some and there is no way I would waste my money on one at this point. What does pronouncing the name correctly have to do with anything? You are all about respect but you don’t know how to earn it and you don’t respect anyone that disagrees with you. Give someone else some respect and they will do the same for you. That is how it works. Have an open mind and make things better. Don’t try to protect things being done wrong or sub-standard because it is Chinese and you feel your country is being attacked. It isn’t China versus the world. Every country has a stake in China already. There are very few people that want to see China fail. I wouldn’t have put my company here in China if I wanted China t fail. It isn’t about that but you act like it is. You need to travel and live in many countries. Make some friends and learn to have a conversation.
do you really expect a brain washed nationalistic individual to make such an effort? You’re too generous.
This just shows your foolishness, if you can’t even pronounce the companies’ names, what makes you the expert on their innovations and strategy?!
Ed,
I am sure you can pronounce my name correctly. Do i care. no
Exactly, shut your mouth then.
Why? Lets go 3rd grade since that must be about your level. Why don’t you make me shut my mouth.
By the way ed. That was a typo. No way your pronouce my name. No Chinese can make the correct sounds. Well none as of yet. Someone probably can but im sure not you.
China is just getting started. I heard all this before when Japanese cars came on the market.
@ Robert
> I heard all this before when Japanese cars came on the market.
No you didn’t, because Japanese autos never had quality problem as far back as 70s. Low on power, yes. Low on quality, absolutely not.
Is the MG6 an chinese or european car? There will be more than 745 MG6’s sold the next two years!
but the MG6 will be built at Longbridge but here we’re talking about export.
Oke, no problem.
The overall argument that the Japanese started their car business by focusing on quality and relaibility is pretty solid. In the end, that’s how they acheived success. One should also look at history, when considering the Japanese and the Germans. They’re both nations that put a lot of emphasis on industrial strength and dedication to engineering at the onset of the 20th century. It should be no surprised that once conquered, this cultural trait was put to good use and focused on various machinery engineering businesses, among which cars.
The same can partly be said of the Americans, although I do not think they can meet the utter drive and passion the germans and japanese have for perfection.
The Koreans do not fit that bill – sorry. They’re OK at doing business but are still trailing behind. I would never put the trust I have for a japanese or german car on a korean car.
Other European iconic brands, mostly British and French, have never met the level of quality the germans have. And that’s simply a cultural thing that can hardly be avoided.
Remember the tank and plan technology developped by the germans and the japanese in ww2? that’s how they got their edge as small nations, and ultimately the Americans and the Russian beat them by sheer industrial size and might.
Back to the Chinese… what are they known for in their history? At least not much that relates to industrial might. They’re more known for self inflicted economic isolations (broken down by the British with the Opium wars) and political issues generated by the difficulties in managing such a vast population and terrain.
I beleive it to be intrisically linked with their history as pretty much the only large unified kingdom since before the middle ages. Once peace was achieved, competition and the spirit and drive needed to acheive innovation and perfection in engineering became lacking. Europe was at war constently, always divided, and out of war came innovation. Not an enviable solution I admit, but one that defines us nowadays as an entirely different culture, and sets the chinese leagues behind us technologically speaking.
Stealing EU / US / Jap technology will not suffice, because our very strength is in our capacity to innovate. The more they steal from us, the more our cleverest and smartest minds will fight to stay ahead. Except for a revolution in the overall chinese culture and education, this will not change for a very very long time.
I still remember the first Japanese cars in Amsterdam in the 1960s. They were taxis, Isuzu Bellel, famous for…there bad quality…
Why is it all the dumb Americans that bad mouth Chinese cars? Has he been in one, no. Has he driven one, no. So how on Earth can he say they are bad? What about American cars. Countless times I’ve seen reviews of American vehicles in which the writer said they were absolute crap. I remember watching the Top Gear TV show in which Richard Hammond said that the dashboard in the Cadillac Escalade looked like a wheelie rubbish bin which had been cut in half and stuck inside the car. American cars have always been renowned for crap quality.
Now, Chinese cars are much the same, but unlike American vehicles, the Chinese will get better. Since Great Wall’s entry into the markets of Australia and New Zealand, they have sold over 1000 vehicles in 4 months. One review said the quality was better than expected.
By the way, Head Honcho, all of the above was directed at you.
Ed, I’m sorry you have to put up with these people. They really need to get an open mind. The views held by some people towards the Chinese auto industry are antiquated they really need to move on. I see a bright future for Chinese vehicles.
Michael you have joined the ranks of the Angry Elfs too. I have driven Chinese cars. I live in China. I am not even talking about anything I have seen on the internet or Tv. The Chinese cars I have driven have been utter rubbish. That is what I am talking about.
What are you talking about? Reports about the cars from other people. Not first hand experience.
There we go.
Yeah, idiots like you trash everything posted here, and when we set straight your lies, biased opinions, and blind assumptions, we automatically become “Angry Elfs”.
Michael you should direct your comments about stupidity and not and open mind at yourself. Read what other people say clearly and make statements from your own opinions and not what you read or see on tv.
@ MichaelW
> Why is it all the dumb Americans that bad mouth Chinese cars?
Don’t blame them. It’s just an objective opinion formed after looking at all the clone cars and Chinese car crash tests posted on youtube.
> So how on Earth can he say they are bad?
Well, we have US auto magazines reviewing Japanese and Korean market cars even before they hit the US.
> Countless times I’ve seen reviews of American vehicles in which the writer said they were absolute crap.
And Chinese are worse, a lot worse, than American cars.
> American cars have always been renowned for crap quality.
Yet GM sells its crap cars more in China than they do in the US.
> Now, Chinese cars are much the same
Not the same, but worse.
> the Chinese will get better.
Extreme price competition in Chinese domestic market prevents quality improvements.
Quality improvements don’t come free, they cost money. But with never ending price wars and the dominating foreign brand cars in higher price bracket, all self-owned Chinese auto companies look corners to cut cost at the expense of quality.
Do you even know how much they have improved just over the last 3 years?? If not, then stop pretending to be the expert on Chinese cars and the Chinese auto market.
Ed,
I think everyone knows that Chinese cars are improving. But most of us that have experience with different cars know they are still quite a ways off from the same level of quality and engineering that we have already accepted as normal and acceptable. It makes it very difficult to take someone serious when they make claim that they are at the same level as a well designed car. They are getting close and many of them would be there if they would take the time to engineer how the parts all go together and test the car and drive it before they just throw it onto the market. Right now they are skipping a few crucial steps in designing their cars.
You’re seriously making a fool of yourself. This is why I say what I say to people like you. If you have absolute NO KNOWLEDGE on Chinese cars, then please just remain silent. Before you make a comment, check what you’re saying instead of just bursting it out. Check what you’ve said here.
Ed, don’t mind Head Honcho and the others, they don’t know what they r talking about. I agree with what you said.
Robert are you an angry elf?
wow, this site is in serious need of moderation. Ed reminds me of some of that ultra brain washed wackos on thebeijinger looking for a fight with a laowai… Either that or he’s a troll, (Admin stirring up tv discussions?). I mean, this is bad. What does he have to prove? That he can talk crap? If he’s so sure of himself I doubt he’d see the need to argue so much…
Hey about that comment on jap cars in amsterdam in the 60s, was it just that one model or a larger range?
You are talking crap too shut your mouth. Chinese cars>American cars. Ed>you.
lol but the angry elf’s got a point that the chinese cars have improved in the last 3 years.
i mean in terms of interior, geely’s emgrand and chery’s riich don’t look as bad as their predecessors i heard that in the chinese ncap some chinese cars are climbing up and also to JD power latest survey in china agrees with that but oh well still trailing far behind the japanese and german though.
well, here’s what I would judge a Chinese car on: reliability and performance
Reliability: Obviously if u copy the best yours will look and feel allright. That’s that. But in the long run, how long will it take before something starts to go wrong AND how well will the 4S staff be prepared? How well will they treat you?will it be fixable for a long term or will it be a recurrent design flaw? In the end, will it be worth dealing with all this annoyance against paying simply more for a better more reliable car and earning peace of mind?
Performance: buying a Chinese engine? Gulp…. Why would I take that risk? Who in their right mind would?
Case closed
there are reliable Chinese cars why are u even talking have u been in one? have u driven one? at least they are better n more reliable than American cars.
Exactly. The Chery A3 has a 5 star crash test rating, and passed numerous tests before going on the market. Including a non-stop continuous 100,000 km test without any problems. All three vehicles passed the test driving through desert, roads, and mountains for a total of over 100,000 kms without stopping.
Reliability and PERFORMANCE. The A3 is far from a decent driving car even if it does last. Yes I have driven it but not 100,000 km. That would kill me.