Chery top man says no to JV’s, no to investment banks but likes Germans.
Chery Chairman, Mr. Yin Tong Yue
In a recent interview between auto.sohu and Chery chairman Mr. Yin Tong Yue, Mr Yi expressed that Chery are still resolute on their plans to go it alone and wont sign any JV’s with foreign manufacturers. The interview is very interesting as it gives more information on what goes on behind the scenes at Chery Automobile, and how the company strong man takes on ideas and uses them within the company he has been tasked to manage.
The interview managed to grab headline news across international news sites yesterday, but there doesn’t seem to be an accurate translation of the full interview available, until now:
Auto.sohu (AS): What do you think of the expansion in this years car market?
Yin Tong Yue (YIT): Originally we were pretty optimistic with regards to 2009 sales, but as the government introduced new policies which liberated the market in a certain way. So, nobody really expected the market to hit 13 million cars this year but by end of November we were already at 12.26 million cars and every manufacturer is at full production capacity, the market is really good. The market is developing much faster than what we expected, so first of all we need to thank the government for their support of hte industry, secondly we need to thank low oil prices for making it possible to create such an excellent car market. The Chinese car market did not feel any effects of the economic crisis in 2009, other industries had a difficult time whilst the car market is just on fire.
AS: Many believe that the market this year is all thanks to the supportive policies of the government, but the most important aspect is that market demands have been liberated, what do you think of this?
YIT: I believe that car buyers have reached the consuming age, the car industry has reached the R direct calculation (R值的计算) age, previously only 70′s Japanese cars, and 80′s Korean cars reached this stage, Chinese are around 30 years late into this game. (We think he is referring to the stage at which personal buyers started buying cars for family use)
AS: Now the industry has a lot of speculation, how long do you think the Chinese car industry can continue to develop at such a high speed?
YIT: After growth, there will always be a fall, the country does not allow for continued explosive growth like we have seen this year. One reason is due to the traffic situation, another is oil consumption, and another is the environment. Perhaps the government will restrict the development of large displacement traditional cars, perhaps we will see a new round of automotive policies from the central government with regards to high oil prices, and the registration of vehicles within city limits.
But the basic demands of our country are great, we have many cities, we also have small towns and villages, these are large markets. Farmers incomes are increasing, in recent years national policies have been favorable towards villages, which has increased farmers needs. Another issue is that the quality of roads in rural areas is improving all the times, which gives us yet another market to enter.
AS: With market growth so large this year, what kind of effect has it had on Chinese self developed vehicles, will we see any changes, and what kind of chances or risks are self developed vehicle companies facing?
YIT: This type of fast paced market expansion is good for domestic Chinese brands, its a great chance, the market is big and encompasses first tier to second and third tier and even fourth tier cities. Each tier is different, they have different expectations and needs of each brand and product, basically the market is huge.
A problem that domestic brands face is that the market is too good, other manufacturers might rush into expanding production to meet initial needs, but then overlook R&D. Because of the competition, we need to rely on our brands, which in turn rely on technology. Many companies are now ignoring their R&D requirements, and aren’t investing enough in their brands, they chase factory expansion and adding new factories, as soon as the market stumbles they will hit a major bump in the road.
AS: Speaking of brand building, this biggest event for Chery this year was launching four new brands, now after half a year after their release, have the models for each brand been succesfully launched?
YIT: Building a brand takes a long time, and it is difficult. This year Chery split the market into different brands, and gave each brand its own segment to compete in, this way the brands are much clearer, and the Chery brand isnt dilluted across many different segments. To many other countries, China is not just a country, its a world in itself with a massive population, with a huge economy that increases with great pace, the needs of our consumers vary a great deall and thus have different requirements and expectations from each brand, so we introduced the new sub brands.
The launch of the brands went better than we expected, using this method to position our brands we’re able to divide the market clearly, and our branding is much easier to understand.
The Riich line up is pretty much stable now, we’re aiming for sales of 8000 units this month (December) however, we know that January 2010 will easily clear 10,000 units.The Karry brand, as it is for a mini vehicle range, is expected to sell 7,000 to 8,000 units this month, in January we also expect it to sell over 10,000 cars. As the Chery brand has been around for a long time it sells the best, this month we expect sales of 43,000 units in China, but including international sales we can expect 67-68,000 sales this month, but January we will sell 70,000 units.
AS: With 2010 practically upon us, and after so much brand restructuring this year, and we will be entering a year of stable development in the car industry, what can we expect from Chery?
YIT: We should say that Chinese brands are two types, the first type is joint venture brands and these are more numorous in China especially with premium brands, self developed brands have come from having a zero percent market share to about 30%, joint ventures account for about 70% of the market. Self developed vehicles have improved a lot, we hope that our Riich brand can enter the global market and become a global player alongside global competitors, we also manage Riich like it is a global company.
Take for example our Riich X5, on Jan 1st it will take part in the Dakar rally, eveyrbody knows this is a difficult race. This year our Riich G5 went on the Nürburgring and did a lap in 8 minutes 56 seconds. Compared to other cars that have been around the ‘ring, this is a great result, that track is 23km long and has 177 hard corners, which puts a lot of stress on the platform, brakes, and handling. Now Riich is ready to become a global player, we’re ready to cast of the low price tag and compete on quality, value, technology, and branding. Chery has around 6000 engineers working in our R&D department, we apply for nearly 2000 patents per year, we’re working hard on traditional automotive technology and also new energy source cars.AS: Whilst we’re talking about brand expansion, can we understand that Chery is looking for larger numbers, has Chery raised the bar or are you looking at other changes?
YIT: Chery was started in 1997, we went down a different road from other car companies, we’re always different from others. Other people are looking for joint ventures, but we’re determined to go down the road of self development, at the time many people said that this plan was impossible and making cars requires scope, when others were aiming to build 300,000 cars at that time were just aiming for a few thousand.
Secondly, at that time how could we do R&D? To do R&D you need to sell hundreds of thousands of cars, we didn’t follow the road here, eventually we did receive government approval to start building cars. By 2008, we had plans to build one million cars per year, but we knew it wasn’t wise to do this, we worked on our QQ and Fulwin models to enter the market, eventually we controlled our own rhythm. We need to work more on our brands, our research, and undergo some globalization. We need to control our models, and the speed at which they hit the market, and to control our development, whilst speeding up our internal internationalization.2007 and 2008 were slow years for us, in fact, we lost a little bit of market share. 2007 sales were at 380,000, 2008 sales were at 350,6000 many people were saying Chery were no good, in fact we are on our road now, we think that this is the best way, so we launched new brands. Previously we would average sales of around 30,000 units per month, now we averaging 70,000 units per month, we should say that in China, the self developed brands are the strongest.
So, car market competitiveness isnt just about speed, and not only is it about scope, the most important is to have your own ability. Countries are the same, countries dont care about size, take Israel for example, it is small, but powerful. I hope that the car industry can become more powerful, as long as you have this power, then your brand can become stronger.
AS: What is your R&D like, where would you consider yourself against other companies?
YIT: As I mentioned earlier, we have around 6000 R&D staff and engineers, many of them have studied abroad, and we also have some foreign engineers working for us. China is hot right now, other countries are just a sea of financial difficulty, so we have a lot of talent to choose from, such as foreign companies, we can use the worlds best resources, and they are cheap too because they are doing badly overseas, finding a job is difficult but they are willing to join us. Some of our engineers are learning German, because we have a lot of German engineers now.
AS: Many people might call into question Chery’s brand strategy, some people are also wondering when Chinese cars will break into the premium segment, is it becoming fashionable to compare Chery to multinationals?
YIT: Chery has always been like this; if we say we will do something, and everyone agrees, then we wont do it. From the start of something we always receive criticism. So when everyone was chasing JV’s, we went down our self development route, when everyone was into R&D, we were into branding, building our brands and carrying out market because R&D is a tangible object, when you have enough tangible objects you can start work on virtual objects such as marketing.
AS: I saw last months Peoples Daily Newspaper had article about the rough drafts for speeches that you have made entitled ‘Early to modify, early to act upon‘ You carried out some modifications in your brand structure, and product structure, have you seen any gains since then?
YIT: Actually, competition is only half the issue, one part is differentation, another part is to lead the crowd by half a step. So we previously put more money into R&D, into self development, so our technology was higher than everyone elses at an earlier stage, when everyone was working on injection systems, we were working on multi stage combustion engines. When everyone was working on manual gearboxes, we were working on our own automatic gearboxes, we’ve broken a lot stereotypes, we’re working to tell our consumers about our technological break throughs, we want to raise our quality and our organisation.
We dont want to fight in a price war anymore, we want to take our products into the JV arena, 70% of the market is foreign brands, we want to compete in the 100,000rmb to 150,000rmb sector, and even higher price brackets. The facts prove it, all you need is a really good product and the market will accept it, so on this aspect we feel that branding is difficult, however it is not as mysterious as we thought.
China has been through 30 years of development, in the end we are talking about resources, material processing, to prices wars, development over the next 30 years should rely on technology, on our brands, and on the quality of our products to amplify our competitiveness.
AS: Which of Chery’s brands are capable of taking on the joint ventures?
YIT: Of course our products are improving with every generation, take for example our Chery A3. We used global cars as a benchmark for the A3, at 4.3m long the car is small, but upto five star design standards, it looks great, and the market has accepted it in a fantastic way. Buyers arent in the impression that self developed Chinese vehicles are low price goods, actually consumers are smart, they have the ability to think for themselves. And then there is the recently launched Fulwin2 which is greater than our expectations, we sold around 10,000 since its launch, this month we’ve sold about 6000 of them, its accounting for about 20% of our sales so far. Next month we will sell around 10,000 of them.
AS: Chery is very active all over China now, in October you opened a factory in Dalian.
YIT: Thats right.This year Chery is looking for sales of around 500,000 units, plus we’re exporting a lot more now, last year we accounted for about half the sales in China for self developed cars, this year there is no doubt we will be first again, however we want to improve the sales ratio! Now we have 16 overseas factories, with full car exports to over 70 countries and territories, which are either imported or assembled in their respective sales countries. Chery is based on teh Changjiang river, but there are many bridges that boats cant go down, so it makes our products go by road which makes the cost higher, our Dalian factory is close to a beautiful port where boats of upto 60,000tones to 100,000 tones can stop and load. We’ve turned the Dalian factory into our export factory, anything made there will be sent overseas. China is now a large market, and the worlds largest product maker and soon to be the worlds largest exporter, we hope that Dalian will become part of our export net, and will help us enter the global market. We also have a factory in Kaifeng in Henan province where there is a large market in inland China but a relatively low car producing market.
AS: What other plans do you have for China?
YIT: First we will deal with Henan and Dalian, but our home will always be in Wuhu.AS: You just mentioned the overseas market, and you plan to have 16 foreign factories.
YIT: Some of these factories are what we partially have stocks in, others were have controlling stocks. We give our partners conditions before starting collobaration, because each market is a different situation, we dont just hope to sell cars, we want to introduce the car building industry into each country and take some employment oppertunities.AS: We’ve heard you’ve bought a Fiat factory in Italy.
YIT: Thats just a rumor, rumors about Chery are many, they told us that we’ve bought a Fiat factory in Sciliy, we don’t have this problem, what the media reports is funny.AS: You just mentioned the rumors about Chery, such as you’re always looking for a JV partner, are you looking out for a JV partner?
YIT: Previously we’ve thought about buying an established European brand, and also thought about working with foreign companies, JVs, and giving our staff training etc. In the end we discovered that we can do most of this ourself, Chinese have never been able to consume foreign companies without great difficulties, there is great risk involved two. First are priorities are safety, the second is development, so we are not as brave as some other Chinese companies, so you could say we’re a bit more conservative.
AS: Does this not mean that Chery will just be a little bit slower than the rest when it comes to foreign mergers?
YIT: On the basis of principle we refuse to merge. Many people have come to us to sell us over exaggerated cases, investment banks come too, the problem with these banks, is that you get married to them one day, the next day you divorce, this is what investors do, so we refuse them, we wont be cheated.
AS: Could you tell us about your plans for 2010?
YIT: In 2010 we think that sales will still be good, the first quarter will good, the second quarter wont be so bad, but the third and fourth are hard to predict so early in the year. We are also worried that the price of oil will shoot up again, a slight rise in international oil prices has a massive effect on the Chinese market, as soon as it rises, we feel the pressure. Next year we hope that we can continue to grow, this years new products are many with 13 new cars launches and 10 more in the pipelines. The international market is likely to pick up once again, of course this year is not totally over yet and we haven’t had our directors meeting to authorise the launch of new cars, exactly how many cars we will launch we dont know yet.
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Without the foreign JV then who would have given china the technology ? lol , china was so devastated in the end of cultural revolution, basic technology was shattered, the US and Germany was not ready to give out technology to china for free like they did to Korea in return for support in cold war. the chinese only have themselves to blame now for setting back their country decades behind technologically thru various political blunders. the chinese always talk about nationalism bla bla and in the end they flock out to buy foreign products lol , no one in the western world point the guns at their head and force them to buy german cars in droves, no one in this world force the chinese to make copy cars, no one ask them to exhibit their poorly engineered cars to the world market and cause a huge backlash, no one force them to focus on little profit and ignore quality and long term gains, it’s them who want to make quick bucks with little thinking. it’s all their fault. they should face it and not blame anyone.
Like it says in the article, they develope the technology themselves. They have been very successful, and most of them are not poorly engineered. Don’t be so quick to judege it if you haven’t driven a brand new Chery model. One of the area they are MOST focused on is quality, the Chery A3 passed various tests before going on the market, including a 100,000km continuous driving test. It’s no one’s fault but your own that you are talking like a blind fool.
I am curious how hold the A516 model is. My friend has had it two years. The only thing that hasn’t needed major repairs has been the engine and transmission. Brakes, power steering replaced, electrical problems with windshieldwipers still not fixed, and head lights. We were laughing pretty hard last night. He turned the windshield wipers off then the car. The windshield wipers kept going for another 5 minutes before they stopped. He said it was just like the brakes. You need to think way ahead before you want it to stop.
shut up.
Very mature of you. Come over to Shenzhen and I will let you ride in the car with me. Last night he asked me if I want to buy it. He is heading back to the US soon. 30,000 rmb and it is yours. I am going to pass on it.
Say something worth saying Robert.
here’s something worth saying, shut up.
no one put a gun to your head to invite your ridiculous comments yet you seem to do it regardless…. in that sense, just because one is ignorant, or in your case a plain imbecile, does not mean one cannot post an opinion no matter how stupid.
i suggest you dont comment back with a defence, or else you will be just like the China you described.
Are you talking about me? What is ridiculous? None of that was made up. You could have said it didn’t belong to this topic but you are just trying to do some name calling for no reason. I apoligize if that wasn’t meant for me but if it was get a life. You didn’t need to say anything and yet you did. Imagine that.
Best if you just make fun or something instead of proving them wrong. That would be the easy way out. Keep trying. Throw a few more names in there for the hell of it. I am sure you can think of some. You seem to be best at that.
Also who described China? You should be smart enough to realize when someone is talking about a certain car and not all of China. Please read it again and if you need ask someone to help you with all the words you don’t know. I would love to help but I am too busy the next few days and it may take awhile for you to full understand it all.
sorry, but its funny to me that your schooling someone over english yet you cannot spell….oh the irony
I asked for a spell check on here. lol Nothing in the post above yours. Look who is talking. You don’t even use the capital letters…. Oh the irony!
It wasn’t a schooling in English really. It was a point that his point was not even related to the comment. Where was China described? He just wanted to call names. More power to him. I am seeing a chain of people in here that do nothing other than call names anyway.
well i dont use capitals and proper grammar here, there is no irony because i aint schooling english, just spotting the irony
well said, FrugalOne.
@Head Honcho, I’m Chinese and my English is better than you. Oh,the irony. Shame…
Keep trying Q. Frugal you can keep trying too.
Q. There was only one problem with what you said. You should have said my English is better than yours. Not you. ohhhhhhhhh Try much harder next time. I can point you towards a better online translator.
Frugal you are still completely off from my post anyway. I wasn’t schooling English. My point was that he completely missed my point. Obviously you did too if you thought it was about the English language. It turned into about English after your post.
How would you know that your English is better than mine? Typical Arrogant American…
I gurantee my Chinese is better than yours too, so don’t insult others on their English when you’re the one that needs a dictionary.
Q you are your buddies are so dense. Lets go back. He missed my point completely and insulted me. That is where it started. I was trying to point out that he was so far off topic from my point that it made no sense. Obviously you didn’t understand either. Go back to the top and read it again. I am done with you guys. Waste of time. Frugalone is the one that started the his English is better than mine and all of you followed it up with mistakes. I can care less if your English is better or your Chinese. I already said your Chinese is better so why say it again? You guys just don’t listen at all.
You posted a stupid comment, got angry because FrugalOne pointed it out, and then insulted him on his English. By the way, what was your point?? Because I’m sure we are all just so interested in the conditions of your friend’s Chery. Why is it that you’re the only one experiencing issues like these?? I have friends with Cherys for over 5 years, and they never had a major problem. Think before you post idiotic comments.
How is it idiotic if my friend had those problems. THe trust is stupid now? Ok go live in your dream world.
just shut up Head Honcho.
@ lol
> Without the foreign JV then who would have given china the technology ?
Chinese could have bought obsolete western model IPs, the ones no longer in production.
> the US and Germany was not ready to give out technology to china for free like they did to Korea in return for support in cold war.
US and Germany did not give away anything for free; Koreans paid through the nose to gain the knowledge.
This is where Chinese and Korean auto industry started to diverge. Korean auto makers somehow magically came up with billions in capital when needed the money was never their problem, while Chinese struggle to find similar amount of capital.
“Korean auto makers somehow magically came up with billions in capital when needed the money was never their problem”
where can we find this secret Korean money tree??? We all want some of this magic money.
Look idiot, there is no magic to it, Koreans didn’t have the money and it was funded through debt. Korea today still has a net foreign debt to the tune of 200 billion. Yet China’s position is net positive as a creditor to countries like Korea.
Learn the facts!
Chinese will never struggle to find capital compared with Korea. China in fact hold the highest levels of foreign US reserves, what about Korea? What’s Korea’s GDP compared to China? I think the answer is clear and you could well be disillusion.
Korea, as most would recognise, make superior cars than China at this time, its achievement did result from the magical influx of money. The auto and cosmetic industries were a national priority and money was diverted into that sector of the economy through national debt. The attention meant Korea is behind China in other industries such as space technology, military technology, Aviation technology so on.
Having said all of that, perhaps the Koreans can start returning all the IP stolen and copied from China for the past 2 thousand years. China would appreciate the return of its history, culture, language, architecture from the Korean thieves who for the sake of development, were a bunch of conniving and morally inept bastards.
Lets keep the name calling to a minimum. No one listens to anyone that can’t respect someone elses opinion.
regardless if the opinion is fundamentally flawed in fact?
i just wanted to point out to the guy that whilst he is constantly whinging about China copying, he does not see the irony of his own people copying profusely throughout history to get to where they are today.
Copying from others is all part and parcel of development, stop whinging and hating and get on with life!
Yes, Well it is just immature and rude to call someone a name in the first place.
You are right copying to an extent is part of life. That is how things are improved. But most people on here that are complaining about the copying because it isn’t being improved and often done to where the product is at a lower quality level than the orginal. It would be so easy to change the looks a little more on some of the clone cars so it doesn’t even look like a clone. No one would even know but the designers then.
@ FrugalOne
> where can we find this secret Korean money tree???
It’s called Chaebol. These Chaebols were already hitting $50 ~ 60 billion in annual sales by 1990, so it was not hard to inject $3 billion a year into their auto making branches.
> Chinese will never struggle to find capital compared with Korea.
That’s not what Chery and BYD would say.
> What’s Korea’s GDP compared to China?
Around 1/4th of China’s, for 1/30th population.
> its achievement did result from the magical influx of money.
And the magical influx of money is hard to come by for Chinese automakers.
> The auto and cosmetic industries were a national priority and money was diverted into that sector of the economy through national debt.
Chaebols funded their automakers out of their own pocket.
> The attention meant Korea is behind China in other industries such as space technology
Ok.
> military technology
Nope. Chinese weapons are at least a decade behind Korean produced ones.
> Aviation technology so on.
Airframe technology, nope.
Engine technology, somewhat yes. At least Chinese can engineer and build Russian knock off engines, while Koreans can’t because of mass availability of licensed US engine productions. Entire US military aviation engines, save for F-22′s F119 engines, are available to Koreans, so this kinda hurts local engine engineering initiatives. The pricings are very good too. GE’s F414 engine is available to Koreans for around $4 million per engine, while Russians sell their comparable RD33(for Mig-29) engines to Chinese for $3 million per engine.
> Having said all of that, perhaps the Koreans can start returning all the IP stolen and copied from China for the past 2 thousand years.
Such as?
> China would appreciate the return of its history
???
> culture
???
> language
??? Ask any linguist, Korean language has zero relationship with Chinese language. I don’t understand why there is a myth among Chinese that Korean language is some kind of spin off of Chinese, be it Mandarin or Cantonese, when it has zero relationship. Ask any Chinese who learned Korean, and they will tell you it’s so hard to learn since grammar is totally unrelated.
> architecture
??? Old Korean architecture looks nothing like old Chinese architecture.
Korea’s population IS NOT 1/30 of China, and their GDP is way less than 1/4 of China’s. Korea’s population is around 1/24 of China. Korea cannot compare with China.
The first 2 posters while very cynical and negative have very good points. You 2 almost sound as cynical as American posters on other auto forums that talk about the failure of the US aoto industry
.
But seriously the cultural revolution that one of you referenced happened over 35 years ago during the 60′s. I think what happened in China since 1980 has corrected many but not all the mistakes made then. Stop living in the past as many Americans do.
In New York city where I live many Americans purchase Japanese and German cars ; not American cars. General Motors and Volkswagen do not compete very well with Honda and Toyota in the US. I think that may be a reason why these 2 companies agree to the joint ventures with Chinese auto companies like SAIC at the risk of giving up technology, management and manufacturing techniques to the Chinese companies.
I think there have been other issues with Volkswagon succeeding in the US. Same with all the other companies making diesels. Very few of the models are available in the US and they are really pushing that technology. So that really cuts into what is available in the US. Also German cars just aren’t viewed as reliable as Japanese in the US. Look at Mercedes in Consumer Reports and they are all a big black dot for lots of problems. BMW is hit and miss on it. Volkswagon has dropped in reliability the last couple years. I don’t even know anyone that owns a volkswagon now. BMW and Audi yeah but that really is a different market than where Volkswagon is. I was in Munich Germany last year and it seemed BMW was really dominating that area. Then Volkswagon and Mercedes. This isn’t including the tiny cars. But I was just around a convention area for 5 days so who knows how accurate that is. Go in to downtown Shenzhen and you hardly see any Chinese brand cars at all compared to foreign brands. If you stayed in downtown Shenzhen and never went to other areas you probably wouldn’t ever notice how many Chinese brand cars are out on the street.
@ Go Red
> I think that may be a reason why these 2 companies agree to the joint ventures with Chinese auto companies like SAIC at the risk of giving up technology, management and manufacturing techniques to the Chinese companies.
JV is a requirement to build cars in China, or face a 35% import duty if trying to import whole vehicle.
None of foreign automakers would do JV with Chinese partner if they could own 100% of their Chinese operations.
Import duty is perfectly legal. If foreign companies want to profit out of China, that requirement is that they contribute towards China’s development. If they did not wish to do so, then so be it, no guns were placed to their heads.
Just as an example,
” Korea’s economy had been linked to the Japanese economy since pre WWII. After the war, Korea in an effort to reactivate its economy, initiated a drive to industrialize via import substitution. Korea used tariff protection, multiple foreign exchange and controls. The import substitution of consumption goods had been financed mainly with the proceeds of traditional exports, such as minerals that had been developed during the Japanese occupation. When the import substitution of consumption goods was completed, it could not continue with this strategy. Korea, a natural resource poor country, could not finance it.
The U.S. officials wanted to see Korea succeed in developing its economy. Korea was a product of the Cold War. The U.S. had soldiers stationed on Korean soil since the Korean War (1950-53). The US would not allow Korea to fail: it had to be a show case of success of the capitalist system. Consequently, the US fostered the Korean economic development in several ways.
The US provided Korea with grants not only for the basic administration of the government, but also to develop an industry that would export. Initially, Korea utilized its abundant labor to assemble imported parts for export. The US provided technical assistance and training to improve Korean productivity. Young Korean students were educated in American Universities. Most important, the US opened its large domestic market to the Korean producers of manufactured goods. (1) In the process, Korean producers acquired the necessary experience to operate in foreign markets, hence, Korea’s change of strategy. It emphasized economic development towards the production of exportable goods.
The Korean Government policy on the economic development emulated the Japanese model of targeting firms for grants and interest free loans.”
All countries at one stage or another relied on tariff protection, as did Korea. The reason why Korea succeed and advanced so quickly is because the actively fostered and allowed it as its part of East Asia strategy to contain communism. Suffice to say that if there was no China, Korea would not have mattered to the American.
The moral is that, Koreans has been and always will be US puppets and its Asian guard dog.
@ FrugalOne
> Suffice to say that if there was no China, Korea would not have mattered to the American.
North Korean communism was primarily sponsored by Soviets and Kim Ill Sung was a commander of Soviet Army that Stalin installed in North Korea as the head of a puppet regime. It was Soviet Union that was the US’s primary adversary, not China which wasn’t much of a threat to the US at that time.
Accordingly, the US policy in Korea has almost nothing to do with China and everything to do with Soviet Union, and Korea would have received the same treatment regardless of who controlled mainland China, be it the Communists or Koumintang.
Furthermore, the money injection that jump started Korean economy wasn’t US aid, but the US compensation for 300K Korean “mercenary” marines in Vietnam. The US was so desperate for troop reinforcement from anywhere as long as it was not from the US itself during Vietnam War in the 60s, so they relied on Korean marines to provide this troop reinforcement, offering to pay the full cost of dispatchment and wages in exchange. This money flew back to Korea and served as capital seed for economic growth that jump started many industries.
> The moral is that, Koreans has been and always will be US puppets and its Asian guard dog.
Think in terms of Koreans then. Whom would you thrust more, Americans or Chinese?
Okay, if there were no China,then the whole east Asian population wouldn’t have existed, neverminding their economy. Without China, the world wouldn’t be one third as good as it is today, so be thankful.
Because they all came from China. Including the Japanese, Koreans, “Taiwanese” and others.
OK thats fine, but i’ve had enough of these so called koreans saying they are related to famous chinese in history and they are decedents because man Gentics 101 says they not…what fools.
These koreans claim too much, soo they will also claim to be same as the germans.
i’d trust the Chinese more, because honestly, with all that the Americans have promised with aide, free trade and finance for the third world, and the number of promises it has actually honored, it would be hard for America as a whole to get a credit rating.
@ FrugalOne
> OK thats fine, but i’ve had enough of these so called koreans saying they are related to famous chinese in history
This is a very puzzling statement because the reality is exactly the opposite of above statement.
Korea is blasted for being the world’s most xenophonic country, where Chinese blood is considered to be inferior and must be shunned. It is a great personal shame to have Chinese heritage and one hides it if he/she does have it. Having Chinese blood is like having AIDS over there.
This is true even in North Korea, where North Korean officials seeking food aid from South blasted the South for importing foreign brides for unmarriable farmers and “tainting” the racial blood. North Korea also forcibly abort any fugitive women returned from China to make sure no Chinese blood enters their country. Scary stuff, but true.
So one would hide his Chinese ancestry even if it is Bruce Lee or Mao Zedong.
> i’d trust the Chinese more
Chinese in America seem to trust white men over fellow Chinese. Just an observation.
Some correction.
Above post was made by me( I h a t e C h i n a ), not FrugalOne.
I have no idea how FrugalOne’s name ended up in the thread.
Furgal one. Which promises of aid are you talking about that the US made and didn’t keep? Nothing that included terms that were not met by the other party?
@ Head Honcho
> Furgal one. Which promises of aid are you talking about that the US made and didn’t keep?
He’s talking about KORUS FTA, which is stalled at the US Congress due to the American political fear of Korean cars running over the US market. KORUS FTA was indeed agreed at the worst possible time, when the US auto industry went bankrupt and Korean cars doubled in market share to near 9% of US auto market during the crisis, with study showing that new Korean car owners were mostly former GM and Chrysler car owners instead of Japanese car owners. KORUS FTA has to wait until GM is back on NYSE via IPO in a couple of years.
Other than that, the rest are fictitious reports by Chinese press. Chinese press is notorious for fabricating stories in accordance with direction of the communist party, or making up the story with no sources as pleased. In fact, Chinese foreign ministry actually ordered several Chinese presses to stop running fabricated news stories because it was harming China’s diplomatic interests.
Some of the chinese on this forum sound so insecure.. it’s pathetic. ppl: the more you whine, the less mature you sound. There’s no way around this, every time you sputter incoherences about the role of your country in the history of the region, with lous claims of “if that”, and “without us…” it just sinks you in a deeper hole. Time to act mature: please drop the nationalistic brain washed tones and either ignore what pisses you off or reply with solid arguments. Nobody will take you seriously otherwise. Honestly, how old are you? What did they teach you at school on argumentation and discussion? Have you ever learned to think constructively? Grow up for f’ sake…
Exactly, so don’t whine and complain over something you don’t even know. You’re always so quick to bash Chinese products without even seeing them. Don’t act like an ignorant 5 year old.
Ah, you mean Chairman Yin Tong Yao….Very famous man now.