Hyundai Azera spotted out testing, likely China bound
Hyundai’s upgraded all of its popular sedans – the Accent, Elantra and Sonata have gone through a sea of change in the recent past. Joining the bandwagon is the Hyundai Azera, which is based on the Sonata’s platform and is marginally wider and longer. The 2012 Azera will have Hyundai’s fluidic sculpture design language that has sheet metal dripping and flowing from bumper to bumper.
The older Azera, though sold in China in not many numbers, could catch up with this design update. The Chinese market welcomes big sedans with generous rear seat comfort. We see no reason why the new Azera could turn the tables for Hyundai in the large sedan market in China, although it will be in a strong market that is shared by Nissan’s Teana, Toyota’s Camry and Honda’s Accord.
Engine options are likely to be a V6 and 4 cylinder models for the Chinese market.
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hehehe, hopefully they have followed the rules here… number 1 is my favourite.
http://www.asianjoke.com/oneline/how_to_date_a_korean_guy.htm
That Chosun Ilbo site has some good articles. This one was interesting seeing who did the research.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/10/09/2010100900326.html
By the way, I would like you to clarify my understanding.
woxihuanpijiu = I like beer or I am yellow beer ?
woxihuanpijiu = I like beer
The more typo’s I make is usually a sign of how much beer is being consumed when I am posting.
CCT,
Sorry for the digression.
Maybe we could have an open forum just for fun/arguments.
@ woxihuanpijiu
> you lot have stopped arguing about handbags
It wasn’t about handbags, but the quality of handbags.
> A favorable outcome for the South depends on two conditions.
That description is obsolete. The plan keeps changing to reflect changing security environment and improved war fighting capabilities, and is completely rewritten every 5 year. The current war plan calls for the take over of Pyongyang on 4th day, and reach Yalu river by the 7ths. They must end this war before PLA could mobilize and cross Yalu river. It was 4/7-day scenario that the US/ROK war planners conducted the recent military drill that China opposed so much.
@ hk
> You better pay attention to those long range artillery, they can shower Seoul with countless shells
The number of artillery that could hit Seoul has decreased as NK relocated their artillery pieces to better survive precision bombing by ROKAF’s glide bombs. The South has enough firepower to suppress all of NK’s long range artillery within 2 hours, and NK is moving their artillery positions at the expense of reduced their ranges.
BY 2020, the artillery won’t even be a threat as the anti-artillery laser system becomes operational. The current version works but need more power to kill the artillery shells much faster.
> Your high-tech tanks and stealth jets will not protect Seoul.
They are for fighting PLA intervention, not NK’s obsolete military.
@IHC
“It wasnt about handbags, but the quality of handbags.”
Still about handbags and on a Chinese CAR forum.
“The current war plan calls for the take over of Pyongyang on 4th day”
Any links to back this up?
It’s wishful thinking at best…. The plan has to change because the North already knows what it it…. due to dishonest south korean military personel.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/06/07/2010060701550.html
“BY 2020, the artillery wont even be a threat as the anti-artillery laser system becomes operational. The current version works but need more power to kill the artillery shells much faster.”
LOL, this would be like trying to stop raindrops one at a time. The idea is good but reality it would have to be able to function non stop to be effective.
“NKs obsolete military”
NKs military may not be “high tech” but that doesn’t make them obsolete. If anything it makes them more efficient as they do not rely on electronics and south korea is a high tech nation.
The North has already been jamming GPS signals in the south.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/10/06/2010100600997.html
pijiu, you have my words and expressed in a better way. Thanks!
@ woxihuanpijiu
> due to dishonest south korean military personel.
And the plan changed. The plan is evolving from a defensive plan into an offensive plan. Why? Because the high command is convinced they could end this war quickly, and indeed ending the war quickly is the best way to prevent Chinese intervention.
> LOL, this would be like trying to stop raindrops one at a time.
When the laser power goes up, the kill speed would be 1 second per round. When hundreds of these laser cannons are deployed, they can hold off shells long enough for two hours until NK artillery is completely taken out.
> NKs military may not be high tech but that doesnt make them obsolete. If anything it makes them more efficient as they do not rely on electronics and south korea is a high tech nation.
Well, the same thing was said during Iraq war. The main combat was over within a couple of weeks.
> The North has already been jamming GPS signals in the south.
That’s civilian GPS. US imported arms use US military GPS signal while Korean designed arms use Galileo(European guidance system).
Very odd – Galileo is not even finished yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_%28satellite_navigation%29
@village_clown
Finally a name that truly represents you.
“And the plan changed. The plan is evolving from a defensive plan into an offensive plan. Why? Because the high command is convinced they could end this war quickly, and indeed ending the war quickly is the best way to prevent Chinese intervention.”
This is the same high command that does NOTHING every time the North takes pot shots at the south. Planning to gang up on the North with help from it’s puppet master (aka, US military) rather than make genuine steps towards reunification and cross border talks. south korea has never wanted peace… if they did they would have signed the armistice in 1953.
Really what the US should do it tell the south that they have 10 years to smooth things over because they plan to take their troops home. The US has been there since the end of WW2 65 years is a long time to set up base in someone elses country.
The laser system is all smoke and mirrors. It’s estimated that the North can drop 500,000 rounds per hour or about 10,000 rounds per minute. On that theory it would mean there would need to be roughly 170 untested (in war time conditions) anti-artillery lasers working full time as well have having to contend with other factors as well and these would presumably be spread throughout the peninsula so their effectiveness would be reduced even further.
Do you have any links to this so called “super laser”? It’s seems like the specs you mentioned are coming from the usual place and worth about as much as used toilet paper.
“Well, the same thing was said during Iraq war. The main combat was over within a couple of weeks.”
Tell that to the families of the 4743 people killed there in the past 7 years. It’s a bit of a stretch to compare Iraq with North Korea…. For a start North Korean soldiers will actually fight, not just put down their weapons and run like girls like the republican army did.
“Thats civilian GPS. US imported arms use US military GPS signal while Korean designed arms use Galileo(European guidance system).”
south korea is part of the program but as CCT said it’s not finished so must still be relying on the US GPS…… The arms may use Military grade encryption but millions of smartphones in use don’t and they can be used for tracking and targeting.
US military GPS and Galileo have both been hacked already.
http://www.switched.com/2009/12/17/u-s-military-drones-hacked-with-26-commercial-software/
http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/13/galileo-gps-system-hacked-at-cornell/ (thats an old link)
@ CCT
> Very odd Galileo is not even finished yet.
They have enough documentation to design their arms to be Galileo compatible.
@ woxihuanpijiu
> This is the same high command that does NOTHING every time the North takes pot shots at the south.
ROK military does want to retaliate, but it is the US that’s holding back since they can’t afford to fighter another war, yet.
> Planning to gang up on the North with help from its puppet master (aka, US military) rather than make genuine steps towards reunification and cross border talks.
Talks doesn’t work then there is a massive disparity of power between parties.
> south korea has never wanted peace
No, and the high command does believe the war is finally a realistic option, since they can now finish war in 7~10 days.
> Really what the US should do it tell the south that they have 10 years to smooth things over because they plan to take their troops home.
And abandon prime real estates; air and naval bases closest to Beijing. A USAF base near Yalu river fielding 100 stealth fighters able to fly over Beijing in 40 minutes and freely approach Beijing in a 15 minute flight’s distance without violating China’s airspace is CCP’s worst nightmare, no?
> it would mean there would need to be roughly 170 untested (in war time conditions) anti-artillery lasers working full time
Which is a realistic number, no?
> these would presumably be spread throughout the peninsula so their effectiveness would be reduced even further.
Not at all. Only around Seoul. Eastern side has low population density and population concentrations are far away from DMZ.
> Do you have any links to this so called super laser?
It is one of those super secret weapons where people know it exists, but never shown to public as top secret. But you ROK has most dire needs for such a weapon in the world, and it is this desperate need that made this laser system being the closest to reach operational status.
Just like the 1,500 km cruise missiles intended to stop PLA mobilization around Dandong and NK borders, to hold off PLA until ROK and US troops reach Yalu and Tumen river. People know it exists as it is officially announced as operational and deployed, but no one has seen it yet.
> For a start North Korean soldiers will actually fight
No they will not. NK soldiers are not muslims. They will surrender to anyone who throws food to them. Average North Korean soldier’s discontent with NK regime is very high according to NK defectors, and would stop fighting if ROK and US announce that Kim Jong Il’s dead.
> south korea is part of the program but as CCT said its not finished so must still be relying on the US GPS
Guided bombs and missiles like that use multi-guidance. GPS, Galileo, Inertia, etc.
@IHC
“ROK military does want to retaliate, but it is the US thats holding back since they cant afford to fighter another war, yet.”
Ok, got it… because south korea is gutless and not able to fight by themselves they have to wait until the puppet master (US Military) has some cash in the bank before they can get involved in yet another war on foreign soil.
Now, the big spanner in that is China which the USA owes $843 billion and rising. The USA will feed the rok along all the BS it wants but it is in no real hurry to back them. China-USA trade is far more important than any conflict on the Korean peninsular.
“Talks doesnt work then there is a massive disparity of power between parties.”
Especially when your president severed all talks with the North.
“No, and the high command does believe the war is finally a realistic option, since they can now finish war in 7~10 days.”
But only if the US help… as I said a few times, gutless and I can add that they are in lala land.
“And abandon prime real estates”
Ahh, so they want to start a war just to gain an airfield close to Beijing? Highly unlikely there would be 100 stealth bombers in the same airfield anywhere…. far too much of a security risk.
“Which is a realistic number, no?”
Not really but it would depend on the cost.
“Not at all. Only around Seoul. Eastern side has low population density and population concentrations are far away from DMZ.”
They would more than likely be positioned in areas around strategic assets like military bases, water supplies and power stations as these would be the main targets in the first few hours of a war. As soon as the major power supplies are taken care of they would be useless.
“It is one of those super secret weapons where people know it exists, but never shown to public as top secret.”
Wow, just like those WMD’s that the US went to war with Iraq for…. If it was close to being operational then the world would know. Why? for the simple reason that south korea would have to share it with the US military and testing something like that would be noticed….
But more than likely they are just waiting for someone to deliver a flux capacitor to them. The Japanese are probably working on that.
“Just like the 1,500 km cruise missiles intended to stop PLA mobilization around Dandong and NK borders”
Which would be met with a hail of PLA missiles targeting ALL points on interest in the south plus the North has missiles capable of reaching any position in the south.
“NK soldiers are not muslims”
Most muslims are not the nut jobs they are made to appear like in the media.
“They will surrender to anyone who throws food to them.”
rok and US agencies both predict the North has enough food stored for a prolonged conflict.
“Average North Korean soldiers discontent with NK regime is very high according to NK defectors, and would stop fighting if ROK and US announce that Kim Jong Ils dead.”
First they have to find him, then have to kill him and all his generals. The US still can’t find Bin Laden.
Seeing they are defectors there is no way to prove what they are saying is correct. Refugees lie all the time to get into new countries.
“Guided bombs and missiles like that use multi-guidance. GPS, Galileo, Inertia, etc.”
Can you back this up with a credible source?
@ woxihuanpijiu
> China-USA trade is far more important than any conflict on the Korean peninsular.
You would imagine Americans looking for an excuse to buy less from China. After all, “Made in China” is replaceable with “Made in Vietnam”, “Made in Philippines”, or even “Made in USA”. China doesn’t make anything that could only be sourced from China.
> But only if the US help
Actually the US is legally required to jump in if a war was to take place. Just like how the US is legally required to engage and repel PLA Navy during the Diaoyutai war.
> Ahh, so they want to start a war just to gain an airfield close to Beijing?
The air base would be spoils of war.
> Highly unlikely there would be 100 stealth bombers in the same airfield anywhere
100 F-35s don’t sound excessive. Maybe it would be like 40 F-22s and 60 F-35s.
> As soon as the major power supplies are taken care of they would be useless.
Power is locally generated at site.
> for the simple reason that south korea would have to share it with the US military
No they don’t. ROK keeps a few surprises and somethings are not shared with the US.
> But more than likely they are just waiting for someone to deliver a flux capacitor to them. The Japanese are probably working on that.
Koreans are way ahead in weapons grade laser, probably even ahead of Israeli effort. After all, it is Koreans that are desperate for anti-artillery laser guns, not Japanese.
> Which would be met with a hail of PLA missiles targeting ALL points on interest in the south
Good luck penetrating ROK’s missile defense.
> plus the North has missiles capable of reaching any position in the south.
Good luck penetrating ROK’s missile defense.
> rok and US agencies both predict the North has enough food stored for a prolonged conflict.
Do they? Are you aware of NK troop’s nourishment conditions? It’s terrible right now.
> First they have to find him
Kim Jong Il was furious that his daily whereabouts were on South’s newspapers before they were announced in NK media. He can’t trust anyone because what he said in private were on South’s newspaper the next day and were hunting for the traitor who leak secrets.
The shocking thing is that Kim Jong Il’s whereabouts is well known and is tracked in real time, thanks to 10,000 men strong intelligence network within NK.
> then have to kill him and all his generals.
In a dictatorship like NK, the regime doesn’t survive when the dictator is dead.
> The US still can’t find Bin Laden.
The US doesn’t have 10K informants feeding information in real time. ROK does in the North, and it is in fact ROK’s intelligence network that US relies on to locate US prisoners in NK.
> Seeing they are defectors there is no way to prove what they are saying is correct.
When you have 10 defectors saying the same thing, then it must be true.
> Refugees lie all the time to get into new countries.
ROK relies on these defectors to establish its intelligence network in the North.
This thread is full of brown stuff. Closed.