GM releases Chevrolet Aveo Sedan Official Pictures
Partnering with the blockbuster Transformer movie series is one of the best pieces of promotional activity that GM has ever carried out for its Chinese consumer base, Transformers was one of the first Western cartoons to be permitted to hit Chinese televisions in the 80′s and became a childhood classic for Chinese kids as it did for Western kids, now those 80′s kids are all grown up, watching Transformers movies and buying cars – in big numbers. The Chevrolet Spark has already launched in China, but initial sales seem to be quite low, the Aveo on the other hand could be a big hit.
The Aveo will sit above the Sail in the Chevrolet line up and is expected to be priced from 80,000rmb to 120,000rmb when it is launched later this month, for the launch party GM is bringing in the new Transformers 3 babe – Rosie Huntington -Whiteley to China. Rosie plays Carly in Transformers 3, Sam’s new love interest after Megan Fox was dropped from the movie.
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I think the executives at GM have been duped by Decepticon – they REALLY think that this re-badged Daewoo is going to be serious competition for the Polo/Fit/Fiesta? I know they had to price this above the Baojun 630…….hmmmmm, maybe that is their strategy after all? People take a look at this, and go RUNNING to the Baojun showroom – the Baojun is bigger, better looking and has more room, and the base price is 10,000rmb LESS than the Aveo. Even with it’s “mature” technology the Baojun is a MUCH better bargain, and I think the chinese consumer will arrive at the same conclusion. I’ll take bets right now that ‘Transformers 3′ makes A LOT more money than this car does – anyone out there willing to bet against me??
Chevrolet for the hip kids, Baojun for the economy buyers and people that don’t care too much about aesthetics.
The Chinese market doesn’t seem to be the same as Western markets where the hip cars that are targeted at younger buyers but are actually bought by senior citizens, I think this might be a fairly popular car, although the Spark has not sold too well yet, far too expensive for what it is!
Has anyone actually seen a Spark on the roads yet?
@ joninchina
> they REALLY think that this re-badged Daewoo is going to be serious competition for the Polo/Fit/Fiesta?
Yes, because GM’s selling 25K Cruzes a month in the US.
Heck, GM stopped Chevrolet passenger car development in the US and shifted them to Daewoo where everything from Spark to Malibu are now engineered, and the resulting product is much higher quality and better engineered cars than GM could put together in the US. This is the reason why GM sold the controlling stake of GM’s Shanghai JVs to bail out Daewoo, because GM would be in a major trouble if Daewoo went bankrupt.
A lot of Americans were puzzled when GM announced that Malibu would go on sale in Korea almost a year before it does in the US, because GM never sold Malibu in Korea. Well, the reason is that the new Malibu is a Daewoo.
> People take a look at this, and go RUNNING to the Baojun showroom – the Baojun is bigger, better looking and has more room, and the base price is 10,000rmb LESS than the Aveo.
Aveo is US legal. Baojun is not. What it means is that Aveo is a brand new car, while Baojun is an old car in new skin and a new badge.
Haha, I see them all the time – collecting dust sitting on the showroom floor of the Chevy dealership!! I ride by there all the time, it appears NO ONE is interested. You’re absolutely right Ash – FAR too expensive for what it is.
@ IHC
“Aveo is US legal. Baojun is not. What it means is that Aveo is a brand new car, while Baojun is an old car in new skin and a new badge.”
WHAT AN ARROGANT STATEMENT !!!!!!
IHC, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY HOPLESS…..
According to your mentality, anything from Korea is first class, state-of-the-art. Anything form China is garbbage, right?????
@ hk
> WHAT AN ARROGANT STATEMENT !!!!!!
It’s called a factual statement.
> According to your mentality, anything from Korea is first class, state-of-the-art. Anything form China is garbbage, right?????
It is simply a market difference. Korean market demands top quality and consumers are willing to pay for it, this is why Hyundai sells 100,000 Azeras and 700 Accents per year in Korea, because there is a big demand for Equus, Genesis, and Azera, but no demand for Accent. Hyundai doesn’t even bother to sell i10 and i20 in Korea because there is no market demand, but sells Accent because it is manufactured locally for 99% export.
Chinese consumers, at least the ones who are buying Chinese brand cars, are extremely price-sensitive, and this is why there is a big market for the likes of BYD, Chery, and Lifan.
Korean consumers reward companies for coming up with better product regardless of price, so the companies making the best product are rewarded.
Chinese consumers reward companies that come up with cheapest product regardless of legality and quality, and this is why BYD, Geely, and Chery exist in the first place.
“Korean consumers reward companies for coming up with better product regardless of price, so the companies making the best product are rewarded.
Chinese consumers reward companies that come up with cheapest product regardless of legality and quality, and this is why BYD, Geely, and Chery exist in the first place.”
Just like your other “factual” statements of how all Indians “despise China”, would never buy anything Chinese, and India is completely “China-free” ?
@IHC
“Heck, GM stopped Chevrolet passenger car development in the US and shifted them to Daewoo”
This must be why GM renamed Daewoo as GM Korea and rebadged all existing Daewoos as Chevys…. please stop calling it Daewoo, that company no longer exists
http://www.gm-korea.co.kr/gmkorea/index.do
“GM would be in a major trouble if Daewoo went bankrupt.”
Not as much trouble than if Chinese stop buying GM products. Without the booming Chinese sales GM would never have been able to emerge from their government bailout.
“Aveo is US legal. Baojun is not”
Baojun is a manufacturer, not a model made by a sub branch of a multnational with no national identity anymore.
“Korean market”
south korean market which has no comparison to the Chinese one seeing it has different goals and objectives.
“Hyundai sells 100,000 Azeras and 700 Accents per year in Korea”
So what? VW sells more Santanas than that in China each year. Heck, even byd sells more F3′s than that. People buy what they want and can afford, this is no different to any country.
“Korean consumers reward companies for coming up with better product regardless of price, so the companies making the best product are rewarded.”
Which is why Ssangyong and Daewoo folded and Kia had to be saved by Hyundai (which outbid Ford)…. because they were making s#$% people didn’t want. Same thing in the US with a few brands.
“Chinese consumers reward companies that come up with cheapest product regardless of legality and quality, and this is why BYD, Geely, and Chery exist in the first place”
Also why luxury car dealers are doing better business in China than in many of the established markets around the world.
@ woxihuanpijiu
> This must be why GM renamed Daewoo as GM Korea and rebadged all existing Daewoos as Chevys…. please stop calling it Daewoo, that company no longer exists
Well, ask Daewoo employees where they work. The will reply Daewoo, not GM Korea.
> Not as much trouble than if Chinese stop buying GM products.
And that would actually happen if they were to engineer and source China market cars from the US or even China.
> Baojun is a manufacturer
Actually a brand.
> not a model made by a sub branch of a multnational with no national identity anymore.
There is only one Baojun model at the moment, so we know which model he was talking about.
> south korean market which has no comparison to the Chinese one seeing it has different goals and objectives.
Yes, Korean market being quality-focused, and this was instrumental in boosting Korean car quality. If Korean consumers rewarded companies for cheap price, then Koreans would still be selling cheap junk cars today.
> “Hyundai sells 100,000 Azeras and 700 Accents per year in Korea” So what?
1. Korean market is quality-focused and largely price-insensitive, and this forced all automakers to boost quality to compete. Having cheap price have no effect on consumer choice, only the quality.
2. It was $10K profit per Azera sold that fueled Hyundai expansion around the world. Ditto for Toyota with its Crowns. Chinese automaker scompeting on price cannot generate enough profit to sustain growth. Afterall, new product development and quality improvement cost billions.
> Which is why Ssangyong and Daewoo folded
Ssangyong failed because of poor quality. Daewoo’s doing fine, since GM moved Chevrolet passenger car engineering to Daewoo.
> and Kia had to be saved by Hyundai (which outbid Ford)….
And registering a fast growth.
> because they were making s#$% people didn’t want.
They were cheaper, but consumers didn’t care. Only the survival of the best quality.
> Also why luxury car dealers are doing better business in China than in many of the established markets
If Chinese market is really quality-focused, then all the Chinese brand automakers with their junk cars should have gone out of business by now.
@ihc
“Well, ask Daewoo employees where they work. The will reply Daewoo, not GM Korea.”
Ask GM who owns it what it’s called and they will say GM Korea…. What a bunch of workers call it worthless, many workers have a name for where they work.
“Actually a brand.”
A brand who manufactures their own vehicle under their own name that is owned by two other companies….
“If Korean consumers rewarded companies for cheap price, then Koreans would still be selling cheap junk cars today.”
Actually, if the south korean government hadn’t put restrictive policies in place to stop the big boys moving in then south korea would still be selling junk today. The govt pushed quality, not hyundai, ssangyong et all.
“It was $10K profit per Azera sold that fueled Hyundai expansion”
Wow, a car company that made a profit…. never would have thought that could happen…… still not China related.
“Ssangyong failed because of poor quality.”
Which was in place long before SAIC got hold of it.
“Daewoo’s doing fine, since GM moved Chevrolet passenger car engineering to Daewoo.”
Again, no such thing as a Daewoo in the worlds eye anymore…. plus, when did GM Korea develop a Corvette (US) or Camaro (Australia)…. just another factory in the production line reporting to foreign masters
“If Chinese market is really quality-focused”
I never said they were. People buy what they can afford and want. Chinese who can afford an Accord buy one, those who can’t don’t…. very simple really otherwise there would be no COMPETITION.
@ woxihuanpijiu
> A brand who manufactures their own vehicle under their own name that is owned by two other companies….
A brand doesn’t manufacture anything. It is just a badge that you slap on the car.
> Actually, if the south korean government hadn’t put restrictive policies in place to stop the big boys moving in then south korea would still be selling junk today.
But they did, which was a very wise policy.
Opening Chinese auto market to foreign automakers even as JV was the biggest policy mistake that the Chinese government has made, because this ensured that China will never become an auto export power, just the biggest auto market where foreign auto companies come to make a killing.
> The govt pushed quality, not hyundai, ssangyong et all.
Government can’t push quality. It is the market force that demand quality that boosted Korean car’s quality, not some government policy.
> Wow, a car company that made a profit…. never would have thought that could happen…… still not China related.
Actually it is China-related because Chinese automakers too need big profit generators to grow, because quality control, a massive R&D complex, and frequent model changes are very expensive. But since Chiense automakers are denied this big profit, they cannot fund their growth to become world-class automakers. For example, Chery would have to sell 2 million cars to match the profit of Azera in single market, and Hyundai has even more profitable models like Genesis and Equus.
> Which was in place long before SAIC got hold of it.
And SAIC was unable to turn Ssangyogn around. All it would have taken was a $1 billion R&D funding, which SAIC was unable to come up with.
> when did GM Korea develop a Corvette (US) or Camaro (Australia)…. just another factory in the production line reporting to foreign masters
Corvette or Camaro don’t sell in big numbers. It’s Daewoo’s product like Spark, Aveo, Orlando, Cruze, and Malibu that are bread and butter of Chevrolet’s product line up. After all, Cruze alone accounted for 25% of all GM’s North American passenger car sales last month.
> I never said they were.
And then Chinese auto quality will never rise enough to compete in the US and Europe. Chinese brand cars are for China and 3rd world countries only, excluding India where Chinese are not welcome.
> Chinese who can afford an Accord buy one
And this robs the Chinese automaker of a desperately needed profit to grow.
Come on ! IHC, you couldn’t come up with something different. Its the same old tune you are playing.
There are too many Chinese people in the country, different people buy different stuffs. Some people buy cheap stuffs doesn’t mean the country as-a-whole a CHEAP country. Your mentality is really hopless……..
@ hk
> Some people buy cheap stuffs doesn’t mean the country as-a-whole a CHEAP country.
But that’s exactly the impression that foreigners have on China. That nothing expensive or worthy comes from China.
The fact that there is ZERO world class brand from China tells you something, while Taiwan has a number of.
@ihc –
My god, we need a broom and garbage can to sweep up all the crap coming out of your mouth right now……
“But that’s exactly the impression that foreigners have on China. That nothing expensive or worthy comes from China.”
WRONG. That is YOUR impression, not mine – and there are MILLIONS of foreigners who come here every year to visit, work or live that have just as positive of an opinion as I do regarding China. If I used your logic, I would think that all Koreans are arrogant and idiotic, based on how YOU act – and that would be blatantly unfair to the vast majority of the hard working and decent people that live in Korea.
“The fact that there is ZERO world class brand from China tells you something, while Taiwan has a number of.”
OK, let’s see here……….Tencent, China Mobile (#10 in the world for brand recognition), Haier, TCL (americans would know this brand as RCA), Galanz – all world class BRANDS from China. Time for me to get the broom out and sweep up your mess!!
@ joninchina
> OK, let’s see here……….Tencent,
Never heard of it, and that’s coming from me.
> China Mobile (#10 in the world for brand recognition)
Unheard of outside of China. It is a China-only brand.
> Haier
A Bargain-base cheap brand selling poor-quality product.
> TCL (americans would know this brand as RCA)
RCA yes, TCL no.
But RCA itself has degraded to a bargain-base cheap brand.
> Galanz
Never heard of it.
> all world class BRANDS from China.
Which are unheard of outside of China or regarded as cheap brands.
Now you see that China doesn’t have single world-class brand.
“Never heard of it, and that’s coming from me.”
That sure says a lot.
“Unheard of outside of China. It is a China-only brand.”
“Which are unheard of outside of China or regarded as cheap brands.”
Let’s see the definiton of world class from dictionary.com
World class- ranking among the world’s best; outstanding:
Regardless of whether or not these brands are known outside of China, they still rank at the forefront of the world. You’d better brush up on your English before choosing your terms.
“A Bargain-base cheap brand selling poor-quality product.”
No.
“RCA yes, TCL no.”
RCA=TCL.
@ Ed
> That sure says a lot.
Yes it does. If I don’t know, then the rest of world population wouldn’t.
> “World class- ranking among the world’s best; outstanding:”
Not at all in the everyday usage. GM’s cars aren’t among the world’s best, yet no one disputes that GM is a world class automaker. Ditto for Sony; Sony’s brand is tarnished and its product are second rate, yet it still remains a world class brand.
> Regardless of whether or not these brands are known outside of China, they still rank at the forefront of the world.
Even if we go by your definition, none of Chinese brands approach world best. Thus you fail.
> No.
Yes.
> RCA=TCL.
No one outside of China has heard of TCL, and RCA is a cheap junk brand in the US nowadyas.
> Two words, completely laughable.
Look how’s being laughed at.
“Yes it does. If I don’t know, then the rest of world population wouldn’t.”
Apparently the world’s population is 1. Here’s something for you, if I’ve never heard of Hyundai before, then nobody in the world has. Can you get anymore ignorant?
“Not at all in the everyday usage. GM’s cars aren’t among the world’s best, yet no one disputes that GM is a world class automaker. Ditto for Sony; Sony’s brand is tarnished and its product are second rate, yet it still remains a world class brand.”
Really? So you’re saying GM and Sony as corporations don’t rank at the forefront of the world? Of course they are world class because they are among the top.
“Even if we go by your definition, none of Chinese brands approach world best. Thus you fail.”
Lenovo is ranked fourth in the world (PC shipment), has topped customer satisfaction and quality surveys in both the US and Europe, while anybody who knows a thing or two about the telecommunication industry knows where Huawei lies: among the top. If those aren’t world class, then tell me what is. Ssangyong and Nongshim?
If this is the China expert you claim to be, then I’m an expert on Korea.
“Look how’s being laughed at.”
Can’t even write a sentence properly? You should be laughing at yourself.
Oh, and I forgot this.
“Now you see that China doesn’t have single world-class brand.”
Two words, completely laughable.
“But that’s exactly the impression that foreigners have on China. That nothing expensive or worthy comes from China. ”
So now our smart Korean friend has moved on to represent not just Indians, but the whole world.
“The fact that…”
The so called “fact” is not fact, but your bias. How is your statement connected to hk’s comment in any way? Even if it were true, does it act as proof that all Chinese consumers purchase cheap products only and China is a cheap country?
You want world class brands? Lenovo, TCL, Huawei, China Mobile, and Haier.
@ Ed
> So now our smart Korean friend has moved on to represent not just Indians, but the whole world.
I can surely represent the opinions of average Americans.
> Even if it were true, does it act as proof that all Chinese consumers purchase cheap products only and China is a cheap country?
I really don’t want to repeat all the horror stories from China, especially ones related to food, but all of those horror stories exist because of a strong market demand for cheap goods. Those horrible unspeakable product exist in China because of a massive market demand for cheap goods irrelevant of quality, everything from cooking oil to automobiles.
Chinese consumers should really stop buying absolutely cheapest goods and think about quality before a purchase.
”I can surely represent the opinions of average Americans.“
There goes IHC again, representing over 300 million people. Let’s pretend that you are correct and look at your original comments again.
-But that’s exactly the impression that [foreigners] have on China.
-I can surely represent the opinions of [average Americans.]
Average Americans = all foreigners? Why are Koreans so intelligent?
“I really don’t want to repeat all the horror stories from China, especially ones related to food, but all of those horror stories exist because of a strong market demand for cheap goods. Those horrible unspeakable product exist in China because of a massive market demand for cheap goods irrelevant of quality, everything from cooking oil to automobiles.”
These “horror stories” exist everywhere. In Japan, Korea, the U.S. and etc. Do I have to repeat to you the problems with drugs and medicine in the U.S.? No country on earth has never had problems like these, it is basically impossible to diminish the existence of “horror stories”, especially with a population of 1.3 billion.
“Chinese consumers should really stop buying absolutely cheapest goods and think about quality before a purchase.”
According to you, all made in China products are cheap in quality, so does their popular demand in the U.S. prove that US consumers don’t think about quality when making purchases? That they are on the same level as Chinese consumers? Or are you saying made in China products aren’t of bad quality afterall?
Contradicting yourself on CCT won’t prove your point.
@ Ed
> Average Americans = all foreigners?
No, Americans are a subset of foreigners.
> These “horror stories” exist everywhere.
I actually want to face one of those horror stories so that I can sue the food maker for $10 million in damages. Unfortunately, I have been unable to get sick or find foreign objects from the food I have been ordering.
> No country on earth has never had problems like these
I certainly never heard of sewage cooking oil, or card-board dumplings here. Finding one is actually like winning a lottery, since I can sue the maker for $10~50 million.
> it is basically impossible to diminish the existence of “horror stories”, especially with a population of 1.3 billion.
Yes it is possible, look at India. No such thing as sewage cooking oil and plastic rice.
> According to you, all made in China products are cheap in quality, so does their popular demand in the U.S. prove that US consumers don’t think about quality when making purchases?
Foreign brand goods made in China are OK.
Chinese brand goods made in China are not OK.
When Americans buy Made In China goods, they have brands like Apple, Sony, GE, and Samsung on them. Made In China goods with brands like Haier collect dust at store shelves(You can actually see the dust on the box) and sell for $10 at clearance.
“No, Americans are a subset of foreigners.”
Exactly. What do you know about the impressions of foreigners in general?
“I actually want to face one of those horror stories so that I can sue the food maker for $10 million in damages. Unfortunately, I have been unable to get sick or find foreign objects from the food I have been ordering.”
Good to hear.
“I certainly never heard of sewage cooking oil, or card-board dumplings here. Finding one is actually like winning a lottery, since I can sue the maker for $10~50 million.”
But you have heard of problem drugs (US), and poison beef (in Japan) haven’t you? Who’s suing them?
“Yes it is possible, look at India. No such thing as sewage cooking oil and plastic rice.”
India doesn’t have food safety issues and your so-called “horror stories”? Indians themselves must be laughing upon seeing this. They may not have “sewage cooking oil”, but they have plenty of else.
“Foreign brand goods made in China are OK.
Chinese brand goods made in China are not OK.”
One word. Lenovo.
“When Americans buy Made In China goods, they have brands like Apple, Sony, GE, and Samsung on them. Made In China goods with brands like Haier collect dust at store shelves(You can actually see the dust on the box) and sell for $10 at clearance.”
So how is the quality of Haier in the US? Any statistics? Sources?
@ Ed
> But you have heard of problem drugs (US), and poison beef (in Japan) haven’t you? Who’s suing them?
You can be assured that every single case of US drug side effect cases have lawsuit in progress. You don’t have to do anything; lawyers come to you for the right to sue the companies on your behalf. You pay nothing upfront, and pay nothing if you lose the case. But you walk home with $10 million(Lawyer gets 30%) awards if you win. This is why I wish I got food-poisoned by eating at McDonald’s but McDonald’s makes sure that never happens.
> India doesn’t have food safety issues and your so-called “horror stories”? They may not have “sewage cooking oil”, but they have plenty of else.
Indian food safety problems are accidents and not intentional. Yes, rice that you eat in India is really rice and curry chicken is really chicken, while the same can’t be said true in China.
“You can be assured that every single case of US drug side effect cases have lawsuit in progress. You don’t have to do anything; lawyers come to you for the right to sue the companies on your behalf. You pay nothing upfront, and pay nothing if you lose the case. But you walk home with $10 million(Lawyer gets 30%) awards if you win. This is why I wish I got food-poisoned by eating at McDonald’s but McDonald’s makes sure that never happens.”
All your assumptions aside, this proves that horror stories exist everywhere, and it is just as unacceptable in the US that the government would help cover up food/drug safety problems as it is in China.
As for McDonald’s, it is a poison in itself, I cannot believe how many people thrust themselves into American fast food chains such as McDonald’s on a regular basis thinking it’s no problem.
Trying eating at McDonald’s for a month.
“Indian food safety problems are accidents and not intentional. Yes, rice that you eat in India is really rice and curry chicken is really chicken, while the same can’t be said true in China.”
Please explain the UK banning poison chili powder from India then.
“Indian spices with poisonous additives have been in the news lately. What are the options for curry lovers worldwide?
The recent ban on Indian chilli powder imports to the U.K. sent alarm bells ringing in Indian kitchens across the world. That food adulteration exists is no surprise. From watered milk to tales of wedding parties being poisoned by cooking oil, stories of adulteration have always been in the news. But the chilli powder fracas made the consumer realize that these dangers were now more pervasive.
Killer red
Turmeric and chilli powder, the two staples of every Indian kitchen, are the likely culprits. Chilli powder is always suspect because the consumers’ preference for a deep red has led to its being dyed with an extremely carcinogenic dye. Called Sudan 1, it has been linked with health concerns, not least of which is the increased risk of cancer.
Deadly yellow
Turmeric has an even more deadly secret. Lead chromate adds not only color and weight, but the very real risk of lead poisoning. Even if this most toxic salt of lead is not the additive, it could be metanil yellow, which is less lethal but nevertheless harmful and illegal. The list goes on, from Argumone seeds mixed with mustard causing paralysis and even death, to sawdust in the coriander powder.”
Comments
” Curry worries
by aishwaria posted on 24 May 2008 13:33 hrs
I love spicy food. Ever since I read about the hidden danger in Indian spices. I have been extra careful in buying the spices. I still shiver at the very thought when I think about the harmful and poisonous addictive we are consuming through food. Organic products are indeed a good option but then we are so used to these ready products that it will be difficult to switch over.
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Curry worries – hidden dangers in Indian spices
by sonia posted on 3 Apr 2008 22:40 hrs
It is really sad that the quality of food products have gone down in recent years.It is difficult to find out which company is cheating the customer with adulterated products. The incidence of Cancer has risen sharply. It is time we took note of these facts and become alert.
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Curry worries – hidden dangers in Indian spices
by Sachin posted on 13 Mar 2008 17:16 hrs
A lot of Indian cooking uses ???dhania??? or corriader seeds. A recent news report about how dhania seeds are adulterated with similar looking seeds of a wild plant, really scared me. The seeds of the wild plant were reported to be poisonous and were similar in size, shape and colour to dhania seeds.
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>No, Americans are a subset of foreigners.
Yes, 350 million of another 5 billion residents.
@ Ed
> You want world class brands? Lenovo,
No. Lenovo is basically driven out of the US market.
> TCL
Nope.
> Huawei
Industry people know but consumers don’t.
> China Mobile
Unknown outside of China
> Haier.
I hope you do realize how poorly regarded Haier is in the US, don’t you?
“No. Lenovo is basically driven out of the US market.”
and? When did the US=”world”? Lenovo holds a 10.2 percent market share WORLD wide. As for the driven out of the US market part, 7% of the market seems to disagree, which is significant.
“> TCL
Nope.”
Yes.
“> Huawei
Industry people know but consumers don’t.”
Doesn’t change that they are world-class.
“I hope you do realize how poorly regarded Haier is in the US, don’t you?”
No I don’t, please enlighten me with your knowledge, which is stats, information and etc. instead of your usual BS.
@ Ed
> When did the US=”world”?
I am sure the situation isn’t better in Europe. And you can’t imagine Japanese or Korean individual caught with Lenovo brand product.
> Yes.
Nope.
> Doesn’t change that they are world-class.
Huawei is second-class, and certainly competitive when considered in the overall package of product/price(What you get for your money), but Huawei is still not the world’s best.
> No I don’t,
If you actually understood the brand perception of Haier in America, you would be going home crying.
This is not the first time I saw a Chinese individual thinking that Haier was competitive with the likes of Samsung, Sony, and LG in the US. Why does this myth exist in China?
“I am sure the situation isn’t better in Europe.”
and I’m sure the situation is better in Europe.
” And you can’t imagine Japanese or Korean individual caught with Lenovo brand product.”
Actually, I have no trouble imagining a Japanese individual with a Lenovo. I have more than a few Japanese friends who are happy owners of a Lenovo.
“Nope.”
If this is how you debate then we could go on like this forever. Yes.
“Huawei is second-class, and certainly competitive when considered in the overall package of product/price(What you get for your money), but Huawei is still not the world’s best.”
Tell me then, what makes them second class? How far are they from being world class, and where does the distinction lie between world class and second class? Which source exactly gave you this information?
“If you actually understood the brand perception of Haier in America, you would be going home crying.
This is not the first time I saw a Chinese individual thinking that Haier was competitive with the likes of Samsung, Sony, and LG in the US. Why does this myth exist in China?”
I couldn’t care less about the brand reception of Haier in the US. Refer to my original comment “which is stats, information and etc. instead of your usual BS.”
So where is your backup? When did the competitiveness of a brand in the U.S. alone become the defining factor of world class? When will you ever learn the US ≠ world, and average Americans ≠ all foreigners? Does success in the US make a brand world class?
@ Ed
> Actually, I have no trouble imagining a Japanese individual with a Lenovo. I have more than a few Japanese friends who are happy owners of a Lenovo.
Because they are in China???
> Tell me then, what makes them second class?
Their technology delivery is slower than market leaders like Ericsson and Samsung, so is support.
> How far are they from being world class, and where does the distinction lie between world class and second class?
World-class brand is something that is well-known worldwide and you would consider it as your first choice for purchase while comparison shopping.
This is why China doesn’t have single world-class brand.
> I couldn’t care less about the brand reception of Haier in the US.
You should. If Haier can’t make it in the US, then none of other Chinese brands will.
> Does success in the US make a brand world class?
You should ask that question to BYD, Chery(Formerly), and Geely that are trying to export to the US for the sole purpose of its promotional effect in China. That’s the sole reason BYD and Geely are trying to sell in the US, to tell Chinese consumers that their product is good enough to be sold in the US, even if they never make money from the US export.
“Because they are in China???”
No, Canada and Japan.
“Their technology delivery is slower than market leaders like Ericsson and Samsung, so is support.”
Where is your support? backup? Comparison stats?
“World-class brand is something that is well-known worldwide and you would consider it as your first choice for purchase while comparison shopping.”
Which dictionary did you get this from? Because it’s not in any I’ve looked at. If you’re going to make up your own definition for words then there’s no point to this argument. Your answer does not answer my question. “How far are they from being world class, and where does the distinction lie between world class and second class?”
“This is why China doesn’t have single world-class brand.”
Lenovo, Huawei.
“You should. If Haier can’t make it in the US, then none of other Chinese brands will.”
Sorry, but Lenovo already has. The truth is, I don’t care about the US, or how successful Haier is in America.
“You should ask that question to BYD, Chery(Formerly), and Geely that are trying to export to the US for the sole purpose of its promotional effect in China. That’s the sole reason BYD and Geely are trying to sell in the US, to tell Chinese consumers that their product is good enough to be sold in the US, even if they never make money from the US export.”
Let me answer this for you, no. Success in the US certainly is not the sole defining factor of world class, and it does not necessarily make a brand world class, though it could.
I wonder if you realize Lenovo holds a 2% market share in Japan, there’s nothing embarrassing about owning a Lenovo.
“I am sure the situation isn’t better in Europe. And you can’t imagine Japanese or Korean individual caught with Lenovo brand product.”
I only know their world wide market share is 10.2%, and that is more than enough to put them at the top.
Not mentioning Lenovo’s credibility/reputation for quality. However you want to argue it, Lenovo is world class.
@ Ed
> I only know their world wide market share is 10.2%
And 9% of Lenovo’s sales come from China.
“And 9% of Lenovo’s sales come from China.”
and? Is China not part of this world? Does the world market not include China?
Hey everyone – this is becoming another one of those ‘ihc is bashing China and we’re all responding’ threads – we’re all wasting our time arguing with this IDIOT. The BEST thing we can do is just IGNORE HIM, ok???? We all know he is full of it and we know we have plenty of facts to slam him – why waste any more of our time or fingers on this? Let’s get back to the Aveo, ok?? Ash, any interior pics of this car yet? I’d like to see if it will follow along the same styling as the new Spark – which is a cool interior!
@ joninchina
> Ash, any interior pics of this car yet? I’d like to see if it will follow along the same styling as the new Spark – which is a cool interior!
It’s already on sale in Korea. You can see the interior pics at http://www.chevrolet.co.kr/cars/avsd_interior.do